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*** OMT: Tottenham Hotspur vs Leicester City ***

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by bjholmem, 9 Feb 2019.

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Man of the match

Poll closed 12 Feb 2019.
  1. Lloris

    45.2%
  2. Rose

    2.7%
  3. Sanchez

    5.5%
  4. Sissoko

    26.0%
  5. Son

    2.7%
  6. Winks

    17.8%
  1. JerusalemMan

    JerusalemMan Young-Pyo Lee

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    Yes indeed.
    It's great for the boot to be on the other foot
     
  2. StephenH

    StephenH Tom Huddlestone

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    Stats are something of a waste of time and what Sky and rest of the media use to fill in space.
     
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  3. parklane1

    parklane1 Luka Modric

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    Now you have done it, look out for the incoming from the Stats junkies ;)
     
  4. StephenH

    StephenH Tom Huddlestone

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    Feck um :D❤️
     
  5. Jon

    Jon Milija Aleksic

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    Too much?....

    upload_2019-2-11_22-32-57.jpeg
     
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  6. JerusalemMan

    JerusalemMan Young-Pyo Lee

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    That's giving it both barrels. And a spare.

    You may have given yourself away by spelling worthwhile correctly.
     
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  7. Jon

    Jon Milija Aleksic

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    Dammit!!!!
     
  8. JerusalemMan

    JerusalemMan Young-Pyo Lee

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    And saying second in a two horse race is maybe tipping too far into parody.
    But I commend your effort and acknowledge there must be strain in attempting to don that particular mask for very long.
     
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  9. Jon

    Jon Milija Aleksic

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    It’s an easy parody line to pull off though, as they literally walk the streets here, breathing through their perma-open mouths, and repeating the phrase in a long moronic drone.
     
  10. Rorschach

    Rorschach Tommy Harmer

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    After match celebrations too...
    [​IMG]
     
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  11. Jon

    Jon Milija Aleksic

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    @Rorschach they must be absolutely rinsing through the vasalene
     
  12. Rorschach

    Rorschach Tommy Harmer

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    Lube is for pussies.
     
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  13. Jon

    Jon Milija Aleksic

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    And arse holes
     
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  14. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Les Ferdinand

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    I think @Raziel nails it, to be honest.

    And @parklane1 . I saw the game, and at no point felt "we've got away with one here". Which I should had we been so obviously outplayed.

    That looks like 4 nailed on chances right in front of goal. Id guess Grays hilarious header would be one of them, which stacks up to Raziels point. Another I remember shot right at Lloris, made it easy on him. Theres another.

    I dont actually know how xg decides upon the quality of a chance, but I suspect it is completely lacking in context.

    I often refer back to the first time we beat Arsenal at the Lane under Redknapp. We deliberately sat very deep and countered. Defended across the box and pushed their play wide where they were useless. And beat them, actually quite comfortably, thanks to a very astute game plan.

    The stats would have it we were utterly outclassed in every respect. They will have had going on 80% possession, shots into the double figures, 2x (or3) the passes we had, most of the play in our third...

    And yet the reality is we were comfortable, in control, and frankly the better team on the day fully deserving of the three points.
     
  15. Gilzeantoscore

    Gilzeantoscore Ruel Fox

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    Yep, just more noise to talk about. I didn't need them before the interweb and I don't need them now. I ignore them, apart from of the global ones i.e. possession, shots on target etc.
     
  16. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Les Ferdinand

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    Stats can be very interesting to back up an observation, or not, and add context to points in discussion.

    They arent the end all/be all people like to make out though.

    xg is the newest fad, but even that is far from fool proof.

    Stats have their proper place, but IMO are often miss used.
     
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  17. LemonadeMoney

    LemonadeMoney Frederic Kanoute

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    When I first read that, I thought you were talking about your virginity!
     
  18. LemonadeMoney

    LemonadeMoney Frederic Kanoute

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    Well take away their pen that shouldn't have been, and add our pen that should, and what does that do for your xG?
     
  19. elyid

    elyid Pascal Chimbonda

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    xG is not necessarily meaningful though as it doesn't take into account all variables. (don't think it even accounts for if the player is marked or has a free shot at goal etc.)

    i.e. Sanchez chance was a free header with a high chance to score (almost guaranteed to score) and Son's was a 1-on-1 at the end but sufficiently far out than xG was probably very low.
     
  20. elltrev

    elltrev Ronnie Rosenthal

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    Classic - citing an opinion, while explicitly stating that you've chosen not to investigate whether or not it's valid. (Not classic of you, just people in general :p)

    Exhibit B: Look at the graph directly above your post - actually the Son chance had a slightly better XG (the square is slightly bigger).

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    [Not quoting anyone directly] And who are these people that apparently believe stats are the be all and end all? It seems to me that most people who like stats see them as a useful tool to sit alongside one's own direct observations, rather than replace them. If you don't find stats interesting then fair enough, but seems like a bit of a strawman argument to say that they're 'not the be all and end all' etc - hardly anyone (if anyone at all) is saying that they are.

    Also XG doesn't claim to take into account quality of player taking the chance, nor should it IMO - it makes the stat clearer and more specific. E.g. Leicester clearly created better chances than us overall (according to stats and my own eyes), but didn't take them as well - in part because we have better players.
     
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