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Next Manager?

Discussion in 'Classic Threads' started by StephenH, 29 Jan 2021.

  1. yiddo37

    yiddo37 Goran Bunjevcevic

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    Not what I said.
    All I was pointing out was that under his tenure we won 2 out of our last 3 trophies.
     
  2. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Steve Carr

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    Nuno if he joins is not in charge of transfers. Paratici is. Who apart from ronaldo i don't think has signed a mendes player.
     
  3. Gazza

    Gazza Michael Carrick

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    Spurs ... meh
     
  4. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Andy Thompson

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    FWIW…


     
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  5. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    If you make a deal with a mafia, you are never in control again
     
  6. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Steve Carr

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    Don't worry, luca brasi sleeps with the fishes.
     
  7. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Steve Carr

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    Interesting that palace, everton and allegedly spurs, seem to have got managers today. I know our accounts and player contracts (at least those signed in the summer) all run to june 30th. I'm guessing everton and palace is the same. Alghough some finish end of may or july.

    Not saying there is meaning. Just an interesting coincidence. Paratici being an example, can't officially start till july 1st.
     
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  8. djp82

    djp82 Milija Aleksic

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    That’s not a good look . Hopefully we won’t be in that position
     
  9. Raziel

    Raziel Paul Walsh

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    Yes, because the big clubs have appointed Ole, Lampard & Arteta in their last set of appointments, Bayern's last manager was a guy who had not managed for a decade, Zidane had zero managerial experience before going to Madrid the first time. There is zero correlation correlation between appointment of x manager and big/small club outside of money demands associated with someone like Pep.

    Who we hire as a manager next has nothing to do with firing Jose, same as hiring Jose had nothing to do with firing Poch
     
  10. Raziel

    Raziel Paul Walsh

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    Well, we have had Harry & Jose who both supposedly destroy clubs and survived.
     
  11. Mr Gogolak

    Mr Gogolak Stephen Kelly

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    A couple of weeks ago, when the Fonseca deal was cancelled, a lot of people on here doubted that talks could go so far without anyone checking whether the wages proposed were net or gross.

    Having dealt recently with someone with a fairly high standing in the football administration, I can assure you that it's possible. Not saying this is what happened with Fonseca (I have no idea) but some of you would be surprised if they knew how some fairly important organisations conduct their business...
     
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  12. Mr Gogolak

    Mr Gogolak Stephen Kelly

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    I think player (and agent) power has reached such a stage that managers aren't as important as they once were. The days of tactical genius or revolutionaries are long gone. Most clubs feel like they need a figurehead, someone who will get the players' respect so that they listen to the instructions of the various specialists working behind the scenes.

    That's probably were Zidane's and Lampard's appointments come from. Oddly enough, tactical analysis (sometimes in-depth) is more wide-spread amongst supporters than it was 30 years ago, for instance. The irony being that the last tactical mastercall I can remember is Capello's AC Milan against Cruyff's Barcelona in the CL final 94. I haven't checked the numbers but I'd say that, say, 80% of managers play the same three-man midfield system, with some variations. This is why they keep telling you that the system isn't important.

    These days, you need a guy who can keep egos in check, either through conviction (Klopp) or fear (Mourinho). That's what Deschamps failed to do with France this year and surprise, surprise, they're out of the Euros after one of the two guys involved in the bust-up missed a penalty...
     
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  13. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Micky Hazard

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    I don’t think we would
    Some clubs, some people…. Their just dumb
    The classic one for me was aarshavin complaining about his wages - not realising he paid tax here so his wages were net
    And Joe Cole not having an email address as his agent did it for him
    In fact agents are probably the biggest part of the issue as they mollycoddle their players abs treat the clubs like the cash cows
     
  14. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Micky Hazard

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    Surely that would only impact exits not been starters, as new ones would be just monthly wages (unless we pay a fee for them to join) so nothing to capitalise over time
     
  15. DubSpur

    DubSpur Sergei Rebrov

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    Managers are every bit as important as they once were. You only have to look at the difference in Chelsea under Tuchel and Lampard.
    Every manager has a knowledge of tactics, even someone like Redknapp was more than "run around a bit".
     
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  16. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Micky Hazard

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    And fitness, opposition impact, in game planning and changes just to name a few things
     
  17. Mr Gogolak

    Mr Gogolak Stephen Kelly

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    If that were true, I don't think we would have named a 29-year-old former player as a manager for the rest of the season - whose results, by the way, were roughly the same as Mourinho's.

    It doesn't mean all managers are the same or that you can swap one for the other without noticing a difference. It means that 30-40 years ago, to make it to the top, you had to have a great tactical mind: Sacchi, Cruyff, Lobanovsky, even lesser known manager like Goethals or even Boskov were working with a handful of assistants and were focused on gaining a tactical advantage on the opposition because, contrary to popular belief, most leagues were a lot more competitive back in the day.

    Now when you have a squad like Bayern's or Real's, you don't need to be a tactical mastermind to win trophies. You need a solid system and, more importantly, you need to get players on board. For the finer details, you have a team of specialists. You think Zidane takes care of physical training? I know he doesn't. He gives some broad indications on when he wants his team to peak physically and someone else does the work.

    That's why Buvac says Klopp's nothing without him, because he worked the finer details.

    It's also interesting to note that Mourinho got some great results as long as the players bought into his ideas. Then match fatigue led to a few poor performances, his comments in the media apparently led to a poor dressing room atmosphere which, in turn, led to the Zagreb game.
     
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  18. milo

    milo Jack L. Jones

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    It's a bit late for that, we started working closely with Mendes about 19 months ago
     
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  19. Mr Gogolak

    Mr Gogolak Stephen Kelly

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    Agreed, agents are a huge part of the problem. Some players are represented by members of their family who have zero knowledge on financial or legal matters. However, whether by design or default, a lot of clubs can't be bothered to spell it out for them. They make an offer but don't spend too much time explaining whether their net or gross. Every once in a while, it works - like it did with Arshavin.

    Some agents include an incredible level of details in their clients' contracts. I've seen contracts that included a fixed number of plane tickets per season for instance and even a subscription to a private gym. Others, well... they're more the 'handshake' type. So to my original point, I'm not saying that's what happened with Fonseca but, from my (very limited) experience in professional football, it's definitely a possibility.
     
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  20. Mikey10

    Mikey10 Vedran Corluka

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    If that's true then appointing Nuno would surely be a worry. Our lot have got two much higher profile managers sacked so far - can't imagine they will have much respect for the man who Wolves let go.
     

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