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Kyle Walker

Discussion in 'Classic Threads' started by Paxtonloudmouth, 14 Jan 2012.

  1. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Luka Modric

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    Kyle Walker > Alan Hutton / Dean Austin
     
  2. braineclipse

    braineclipse Les Howe

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    Walker > Corluka > Stalteri > Chimbonda > Friedel as a right back > Alan Hutton
     
  3. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Luka Modric

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    Walker > Corluka > Stalteri > Chimbonda > Friedel as a right back > Alan Hutton > Austin / Kerslake
     
  4. Rorschach

    Rorschach Tony Galvin

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    I read somewhere Dean Austin played using only his sense of smell. Amazing player ;)
     
  5. clevelandspur

    clevelandspur Pascal Chimbonda

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    Some of you are hard to please he has had some really good performances this season and the end of last season. I just watched the Norwich match again he did fine. Nothing spectacular but I wouldn't say he was any worse than average and he hardly needed to get forward because Townsend was a threat all match.

    We have given up 1 goal now in 6 matches this season ffs
     
  6. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs J├╝rgen Klinsmann

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    Scary isn't considering neither full back is any good.... According to some

    I think it's crazy the criticism they get as a pair. They play an attacks minded role for defensive players and certainly are as good as most in the league. Neither are the best in the league in their position but both are doing a good job so far.
     
  7. Jordinho

    Jordinho Taffy O'Callaghan Staff Member

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    The stats say 98 passes, 14 more than the next player on the list, and 86% accuracy. Everyone else that started is between 88% and 92%. I wouldn't call that shocking, but his crosses are horrible and they just get worse if he has time to hit it perfectly.
     
  8. skyfarer

    skyfarer Radek Cerny

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    I'm impressed by how involved in play he is this season - since he's so direct, you'd assume he's not a possession-type FB like Corluka, but his stamina and energy actually allows him to make himself available throughout the pitch. He's not the greatest or smartest passer or crosser by any means, but at least the amount of passes he makes helps in retention (yes faint praise I know) and in truth the FBs in our system have a very difficult duty in terms of providing both the wide attacking thrust and also protection of the high line. They're so young that they have the energy to do so, but not the tactical awareness and intelligence as of yet.
     
  9. metalgear

    metalgear Cecil Poynton

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    Probably said by guys who don't try too hard on the football pitch and can't understand how speed and stamina can add to a team's performance.
     
  10. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Luka Modric

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    Well that explains it then :lol:

    Walker's crossing makes Lennon on a bad day look precise, hope one of the coaching staff can find a way of getting Kyle to find a teammate more regularly.

    So far this season Walker has hit only 3 successful crosses from 18 attempts whilst Rose is 4 from 22. For comparison Baines is 10 from 43, Coleman is 6 from 14 and Evra is 5 from 13.

    Last season Walker crossed successfully 28 times from 126 attempts, BAE 15 from 54, Rose 6 from 54 and Naughton 5 from 15. Baines finished the season on 106 from 353, Azpilicueta was 25 from 87, Evra 20 from 87.
     
  11. Joesh

    Joesh Tony Parks

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    The issue I have with these stats is that the likes of Baines worked in a team based on crossing whereas we at times had only 1 in the box and relied on either passing through teams or long range efforts. My problem with Walker is that he doesnt understand where to play the ball, given time or playing it blind.
     
  12. Spur of the moment

    Spur of the moment John Lacy

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    Very small sample for Naughton but he the best success ratio (i in 3) out of all that lot. Are you watching braineclipse? \o/
     
  13. braineclipse

    braineclipse Les Howe

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    Steve: How did you pick the players you compared to? Just random players you picked out or were those the top stats for full backs in this regard?

    At least Baines and Evra are probably among the best in the league, no? Comparing Walker to them for something he's obviously not particularly good at will always bring results like that.

    This is certainly also a factor. Not saying that Walker is a great crosser, but style of play of the team will massively impact numbers like these.

    Not quite sure what that's a reference to :)

    I'm quite sure I've always been of the opinion that Naughton is better on the ball than Walker. But I do think Walker has more potential.
     
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    Papercut Jermaine Jenas

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    I never thought Roberto Carlos was a particularly good defender - I've always been orthodox in my thoughts about defensive players. I do now understand that wing backs do not need to be the best defensively - they are deep side midfielders (for want of a description).

    I quite like cultured full backs like BAE and Corluka but they would not fit into this system (it appears!) - perhaps why we've gone defensive midfielder crazy.
     
  15. Nezza

    Nezza Ben Thatcher

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    I think this is it - the system AVB wants to play still has four defenders, but instead of being in a line across the pitch they are in a sort of square in the middle.
     
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    skyfarer Radek Cerny

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    Certainly if you want a high line with inverted wingers/wing forwards, the FBs must provide the wide attacking thrust and have pretty insane pace and stamina to bomb forwards while being capable of covering the high line. Even in the 4-2-3-1 we may move towards with a more traditional if deep-ish no. 10 in Eriksen, we tend to play pretty narrow with Chadli/Siggy and Townsend/Lamela both drifting inside.

    So I don't really blame Walker that much defensively, outside his individual brainfarts a la Liverpool away. I actually like him in midfield given his eagerness to get on the ball (70+ average passes per game, highest in our team). My issue with him is in attack, where he can be really inconsistent and make some awful decisions or take a ridiculously long time to pick a pass. However I'm hoping that constant coaching will drill basic attack patterns in him so eventually he'll be able to execute at least some decisions on instinct.
     
  17. Spur of the moment

    Spur of the moment John Lacy

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    See your post no.1176 earlier in this thread.

    Responding to my post about Naughton's highly impressive displays in the Euros this season, you replied that Walker remains ahead of him by some margin (my italics).

    Hrrmph! ;)
     
  18. braineclipse

    braineclipse Les Howe

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    Yeah, I remain convinced about that. :) And I also remain convinced that AVB thinks the same... ;)

    Hrrmpphhofhfofshhsnhahugh!
     
  19. Gilzeantoscore

    Gilzeantoscore Mitchell Thomas

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    The problem with Walker is that....he's not very good and has no brain. Cannot understand the love for him on here in some quarters, given the horrendous mistakes he makes at crucial moments in big games time after time. Oh, yeah he scored that goal in the NLD. How long ago was that again?
     
  20. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Luka Modric

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    True. Unsurprisingly, considering how Allardyce sets them up, the Spammers full backs' crosses are more likely to find a teammate: Demel 30 from 83, McCartney 12 from 33, O'Brien 12 from 31

    Paulinho should prove to be a decent target for crosses with his surging runs into the box as the season progresses and Chadli is certainly tall enough to get on the end of a few too.

    It was just a small sample of some of the more highly rated full backs in the league just for comparison.

    Although compared to many Walker's stats are quite decent: Sagna 17 from 106, Gibbs 17 from 96, Clichy 16 from 87, Zabaleta 11 from 69, Cashley 5 from 52, Johnson 10 from 87, Enrique 7 from 68, Shaw 18 from 82, Fabio 20 from 87.

    Kyle's the first Spurs player to average over 70 passes a game since Modric in 2011/12, hopefully as the season progresses we'll see Eriksen take on that mantle as I'm not too keen on having Walker and Dawson (currently the only other player averaging over 60 passes per game) as the top passers in the team.
     

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