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Kieran Trippier

Discussion in 'Classic Threads' started by DublinSpur, 19 Jun 2015.

  1. Jurgen the German

    Jurgen the German Chris Jones

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    We will have to agree to disagree then. He is good going forward, but his end product needs to improve. His pace does get him out of trouble, but if you've got good defensive positional sense, then you shouldn't need pace to get you out of trouble, I honestly do not think he has improved in this area compared to say Danny Rose for example who has improved dramatically.
     
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  2. milo

    milo Fanny Walden Staff Member

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    He's an attacking fullback, if he held back more, he would not be providing an outlet in attack.

    I think that Walker, on form, is a better fullback than Rose.
     
  3. Jurgen the German

    Jurgen the German Chris Jones

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    I'm not talking about when we attack, I fully accept that he's an attacking full back who will be caught out of position whilst attacking. I mean when we are defending he is often not in the correct position.

    When he is on form, I agree he is better than Rose. I do think he relies on his pace far more than Rose tbh, and I think Walker whilst still quick, has lost a yard of pace as the injuries have taken their toll (maybe that's just me).
     
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    braineclipse Chris Jones

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    Come on man. How much hindsight and confirmation bias can you pack into one post. Eriksen, Chadli and Modric were all either at a similar age to Trippier or younger when we signed them. Apart from VdV and (to an extent) Berbatov all were unproven outside the big leagues and pretty clear gambles.

    Trippier is a more experienced cover at right back than Dier and Yedlin. He's fairly experienced at 24 (25 in September) with a full PL season behind him and 5 full seasons in the Championship under his belt. At a very reasonable cost he's at worst a useful squad player.

    We need a mix between youth and experience. A PL proven, cheap, good player in a trouble position for us is a solid signing in that regard. Our back 5 (defenders and GK) isn't currently extremely young with Rose, Verts, Fazio and Walker all in their mid-late twenties. We have some very talented young right sided full backs in Yedlin and Walker-Peters. We have an established, but perhaps injury prone, first choice right back. So we bring in a PL proven option to at best compete with Walker, but at least give us good cover while we wait for the youngsters to develop. Seems like smart squad management to me.

    I think Walker being "an attacking fullback" is a bit of a misnomer. When he's been at his best he's been much better defensively. In form he's almost impossible to get past with his pace and power, and his positioning has improved significantly since his initial season (and a bit). He gets back against counter attacks very quickly and consistently and he can bail out a slower central defender.

    When attacking he lets us down way too often though. His crossing and end product isn't up to standard and even his passing is at best average. Often one of the worst passers in our team imo. He gets forward a lot, he has tons of energy and will always be a threat with his pace. He can help create space for others, and he can of course contribute (he's obviously not brick), but he's clearly limited on the ball.

    If I had to pick one player for a game where we had to do more defending, and one player for when we have to do more attacking I would pick Walker for the former and Trippier the latter. Trippier gives us a quite different option to Walker in that regard. Someone with a genuinely good cross to support what will most of the time be an "inverted winger". Seems like a good option to have, might even be used as an impact player off the bench similarly to Kolarov at City etc.
     
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    Jurgen the German Chris Jones

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    As I said to Milo, if his positional sense was better he would not need his pace to get him out of trouble. Rose is fairly quick, but his positional play has improved drastically.
     
  6. braineclipse

    braineclipse Chris Jones

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    At his best Walker is extremely aggressive in his positioning. He gets right up close to the opponent confident that he'll win a one on one sprint if it comes to that. Allows him to get really close, stop crosses and get good tackles in imo. This uses his pace very well.
     
  7. milo

    milo Fanny Walden Staff Member

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    I agree that he is stronger defensively than he is often given credit for and that he closes down opponents well. When I was referring to him as an attacking fullback I was talking about him getting forward and overlapping. He is a useful outlet going forward and creates space for others but I agree that his crossing isn't the best.
     
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    billyiddo Gary Stevens Staff Member

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    That's kind of my point mate - why is using his pace a bad thing? If he's consistently getting back and quashing the danger whilst providing attacking width further forward then that to me suggests good positional sense as he has a good handle on what his pace allows him to do - it obviously looks risky but unless he's continually not able to get back and do his job defensively i don't think it's a bad thing at all. If he wasn't as fast he wouldn't leave as much space behind him, but he is, so he does
     
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    Jurgen the German Chris Jones

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    Once again, I am talking about whilst we are defending or penned in, I fully accept he is going to get caught out of position whilst attacking I am happy to give him a pass on that, it's up to the midfield to cover for him when he attacks.

    I actually think his defending would be worse if he was slower whereas you seem to think he would leave less space if he wasn't as quick.

    I am not saying he cannot improve, Rose did so no reason why Walker can't, but my honest opinion is he has regressed, or at the very best, has stood still. I don't know much about Trippier, but he's not been signed to make up the numbers judging from how highly rated, some even think he will be first choice even when Walker is fit. It's good for competition either way.
     
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    billyiddo Gary Stevens Staff Member

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    Oh ok i didn't read it as that - i can't say i have noticed much wrong with his defending when actually back in position (as opposed to when he's catching up from being in an advanced position) certainly not in a positionsl sense, caught wrong side of defenders or allowing runners through, with any regularity anyway, so i'll just have to disagree :)
     
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    spurspinter1 Gerry Armstrong

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    A bit late to the party on this one, but first things first, the best of luck to the young man. Like as for many, this transfer does raise questions of Walkers fitness but perhaps it's also a sign of Dier's progress as he isn't a player that should be shunted out wide, he is quick enough to play rightback and also can put in a delivery but now if Walker's injured it there's a replacement there and Dier doesn't move from his spot.

    Not really seen enough of Trippier to really comment, from watching some clips it does seem that he is eager to put a ball in and it does seem inevitable that Kane will benefit from this no nonsense attacking play.

    Does make Yedlin's position a little bit unstable, unless he really is viewed as a RW option rather than a fullback..
     
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    LutonSpurs Gudni Bergsson

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    afsoc4life Teemu Tainio

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    Hmm as we say back home, 'siddon look' mode activated (basically means I am going to wait to see how this turns out for Spurs)
     
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    afsoc4life Teemu Tainio

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    Vertonghen was known. Modric was highly rated as was Berbatov. Erikson was known as well. it is a bit of a shock he joined Spurs. Jan must have had a word with him. Most of the guys named were solid young players.
     
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    afsoc4life Teemu Tainio

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    No offence but Walker's brain needs to catch up with the rest of his body. He makes a lot of mental mistakes - positioning et al.
     
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    Yiddo Michael Carrick

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    It's because Walker started as an attacker and has always had is lightning pace to get him out of the brick. If Walker was not as quick as he is then i doubt very much he would be playing this level let alone playing RB.
     
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    milo Fanny Walden Staff Member

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    Who said anything about them being unknown?

    How many of them had experience in a major league?

    These signings were completely in line with our recruitment policy, as is Trippier. They were bought with a view to developing. If they were the finished article they would have been out of our price range or gone to a bigger club.
     
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    imcallingbullsh*t Steven Caulker

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    Not sure i agree with that, its a bit like saying if berbatov was quicker he could play on the defenders shoulder. You play to your attributes, if you can stand in a more offensive position that is not text book optimal, but have the pace to readjust then thats perfect. Its only if you dont have the pace and cannot recover where its the issue
     
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    PochettinoPochettinoPochettino Serge Aurier

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    do you know what, this made me LOL out on the train on Monday. I hate the word LOL too. But it did. Lol.
     
  20. Modric THFC

    Modric THFC Paul Robinson

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    They'd all played in the champions league ffs and their countries some in major tournaments. Getting relegated with Burnley doesn't compare with this.
     

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