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Keep/Sell - who?

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Daisuk, 26 Nov 2021.

  1. Jordinho

    Jordinho John Cameron Staff Member

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    Sell at any price:
    Gollini (end the loan early)
    Tanganga
    Rodon
    Ndombele
    Alli
    Lo Celso

    None them have the necessary ability AND motivation. We need to do a proper clearout to complete the rebuilding.

    I wouldn't miss Doherty or Højbjerg either if we were able to replace them with someone better (which shouldn't be too hard).
     
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  2. Spoonman

    Spoonman John Gorman

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    I can't really argue with that, except maybe a loan for Tanganga. I think there is a good player in there somewhere.
     
  3. monkeybarry

    monkeybarry Chris Perry

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    I'd add Rodon to that.
    There is a premier League player in there - probably a Palace/Newcastle level one.
    Loan somewhere like that and they'll buy him if he's that level or we can keep him if he does a Rose/Walker. But without solid game time he can't really tell.
     
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  4. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Michael Carrick

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    3 english players there. Not sure how our homegrown quota looks these days.
     
  5. elyid

    elyid Jonathan Woodgate

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    Winks was top of my list but must say he's applied himself really well the past month or so.
    If he keeps it up then Skipp/Winks could be an interesting midfield two.
     
  6. Jordinho

    Jordinho John Cameron Staff Member

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    We have Skipp, Winks, Sessegnon, Kane.

    We lose Tanganga and Alli, but should be able to find a new GK and CB as backups that count as homegrown. Maybe even a RB. Not filling the entire 25 man squad isn't a massive issue anyway.
     
  7. Jordinho

    Jordinho John Cameron Staff Member

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    Sell anyone we get a decent offer for. We need to get rid off as many of these wasters as possible in the summer and nobody is off limits.
     
  8. Baleforce

    Baleforce Steve Archibald

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    need to focus on the ones who have been wasters under 4 managers now
     
  9. Daisuk

    Daisuk Jack Jull

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    Thought I'd do a revised version of this list now.

    This was my list per November 26th 2021:

    Sell:
    Winks
    Sanchez
    Doherty
    Dier
    Sessegnon
    Lo Celso
    N'Dombele
    Davies
    Rodon
    Dele
    Kane
    Bergwijn
    Lucas
    Clarke

    Keep:
    Lloris (would happily extent his contract)
    Reguilon
    Romero
    Højbjerg
    Son
    Gil
    Royal
    Gollini
    Tanganga
    Skipp

    The list today, May 26th, exactly half a year later:

    Sell:
    Winks
    Sanchez (would be happy with him as squad backup though)
    Lo Celso
    N'Dombele
    Rodon
    Dele - already sold
    Lucas
    Clarke
    Reguilon
    Gollini
    Tanganga

    Keep:
    Doherty
    Dier
    Sessegnon
    Davies
    Kane
    Bergwijn
    Lloris
    Romero
    Højbjerg
    Son
    Gil
    Royal
    Skipp

    So, for me, these guys have under Conte been able to move from "sell" to "keep" - Doherty, Dier, Sessegnon, Davies, Kane, Bergwijn.
    While these have moved the other way - Reguilon, Gollini, Tanganga.

    Keep in mind, I only wanted to sell Kane because of all the gonad*s surrounding him at the start of the season. The prospect of getting Conte onboard, getting CL football and him potentially signing a new contract completely changes that outlook, of course. :)

    Anyway - Dier has had a superb season, he's been really good. So max props to him! Doherty massively stepped up as well, I hope we keep him. Sessegnon, while I'm still skeptical, he's young, and we can definitely work with him. Davies has been immense too, obviously. I really like Bergwijn, but it does seem like he's going, unfortunately. I wonder why Conte hasn't used him more. He's looked so lively when coming on.

    Reguilon has got to be the most disappointing one for me. He just hasn't stepped up, and looks nowhere near the player he looked when he first joined.
     
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  10. lurker of old

    lurker of old Anthony Gardner

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    Skipp/Winks could be an interesting midfield two.

    Winks in a team challenging for a spot in the top 3? I like your optimism!!
     
  11. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Michael Carrick

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    We'd need to bring in 5 hg players for cl to have a full squad. Might be expensive.
     
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  12. Raziel

    Raziel Paul Walsh

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    Modifications on you list

    Added to sell list -> Bergwijn, we will get money, he wants game time, Conte really only sees him in that 2nd striker role (doesn't trust him anywhere else), you also forgot CCV
    Off the sell list -> Lucas, I just don't see us selling both Bergwijn & Lucas, Lucas is more flexible, happier to be on bench and Conte is willing to use him more.
    Optional list -> Royal, Sanchez, both could stay, both could go for the right offer and if we have a replacement lined up.

    Reality (what I do think we will get done) -> CCV, Lo Celso, Bergwijn, Winks, Reguilon, Rodon, there will be a market for them, Gollini is simply a release/return loan
     
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  13. nattenskonge

    nattenskonge Danny Murphy

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    Its hard to say.. like Davies. I have said that hes not a top 15 team player.. but now… I think he has been good. Gill can easy be one of the best atacking mid players in the World in 2 years.
    Its good that we have 2 of the best in the World that will make the call
     
  14. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Michael Carrick

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    One thing i'd say is that we seem to have an amazing atmosphere in the dressing room. Bringing in too many new players could create a schism if a couple don't get along.
     
  15. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Pedro Mendes

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    Well thankfully we dealt with half that issue in Jan with Ndombele and Lo Celso who will be off in summer to make room.

    Winks and Reggie likely to be gone for sure along with Stevie.
     
  16. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Michael Carrick

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    Reggie and winks seem fantastic for the atmosphere as does golini. They might not be the required level and need to be moved on which is fair enough.

    My worry (and most likely unfounded) is we bring in 6 or 7 players. That might not get on that well with the rest of the squad.

    Don't get me wrong, we need to bring in players. Just thinking out loud.
     
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  17. Glenda's Legs

    Glenda's Legs Paul Robinson

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    It's definitely a risk with such a number of changes, but in most working environments there are probably people who don't particularly get on, but manage to rub along. Plus of course schisms are less likely, or likely to be less evident, if the team is doing well, as good results will breed a positive atmosphere anyway. You could also flip it the other way and say without a bit of a shake-out, long-standing niggles or grudges are more likely to resurface if/when things are going badly (which of course won't happen!).
    Didn't either Conte or Paratici say something about bringing in the 'right' kind of player - 'right' as in as in their personality, as much as their footballing attributes? We just have to hope they get it right on both counts.
     
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  18. braineclipse

    braineclipse Gary Stevens

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    It's a valid concern. As it's integrating quite a few players at the same time, some first choice I assume, some more as squad players.

    Conte preseason, he has shown an ability to get players integrated quickly. General positive mood around the place and the no nonsense approach to just about everything Conte demands should be a good place to come in for a good and ambitious player.

    I think it's a concern, but definitely a risk worth taking.
     
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  19. Yiddo

    Yiddo Johnny Morrison

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    Get rid of

    Golinni
    Royale
    Reggie
    Sanchez (if we can find a better upgrade)
    Winks
    Bergjwin
    Lucas
    Lo Celso
    Ndombele
    Clarke
    Rodon
     
  20. Alaric

    Alaric Terry Yorath

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    Does anyone have an idea of what Spurs are likely to raise from players sales? I tried to put together a list of players likely to go, but don’t have much of an idea of what is reasonable to expect to get for them.

    Dele - 20, potentially rising to 40 is what I think I remember reading

    Lo Celso - 15, rising to 21

    Winks - 25 wanted by Tottenham, settle for?

    CCV - 6

    Ndombele - ? (Think Levy will have to accept getting rinsed here, again)

    Royal -?

    Reggie - ?

    Berwjwin -? (I would prefer to keep, but he wants game time apparently)

    Lucas - ? (I can see Levy wanting to cash in)

    Clarke - ?

    Tanganga - ?

    Rodon - ?

    Gil - ?

    I would prefer the last 3 were kept and loaned out, in the hopes their value might increase.
     

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