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Jose Mourinho

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by mjc23, 20 Nov 2019.

  1. ricky2tricky4city

    ricky2tricky4city Paul Robinson

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    True. The balance of attack and defence was better in those games.

    Fulham though could easily of thought at the final whistle 'we should have won that', and i dont think 'deserve' is the right word simply for the reason the way we went about large parts of the second half. Id say we were unlucky not to be further ahead by half time.
     
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  2. braineclipse

    braineclipse Paul Stewart

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    Our squad isn't awful. Has anyone said that or anything similar to that?

    We have some weaknesses in our squad though. And Mourinho has to sort that out tactically, in training or in the transfer market.

    I still think there's quite a bit more to come from the players already here. There might be solutions to be found this season within the squad. But it might require a couple of new signings before we really can start functioning as Mourinho wants us to.
     
  3. billyiddo

    billyiddo Willie Hall Staff Member

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    We are functioning how Mourinho wants us to? we're just not getting the results he wants - what do you think will change in our style of play or tactics with another transfer window behind us?
     
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  4. parklane1

    parklane1 Tommy Harmer

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    Sorry Billy but surely if you admit we missed chances but think we sat on a one goal lead is that not a
    contradiction?
     
  5. billyiddo

    billyiddo Willie Hall Staff Member

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    Phases of play - first half was fine no dramas. 2nd half we shifted our approach and allowed them back in by sitting off and letting them push forward in to our half more and more, which led to the goal. It wasn't the same uber defensive set up as before but we still altered our game and paid the price
     
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  6. Diamond Lights

    Diamond Lights Anthony Gardner

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    But what are these magical transfers going to do? We have two of the best finishers in the league statistically, so don't see us signing more attacking options there.

    However, if you're not attacking as a team, and relying on goals from only two players and not working on tactic variety, soon you'll get found out in the same types of games and it'll cost you. Just like it has for us each time.

    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
     
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  7. parklane1

    parklane1 Tommy Harmer

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    fair enough but do you admit we missed at least two good chances which should have been put away? And if so we can not be accused of sitting on a one goal lead?
     
  8. billyiddo

    billyiddo Willie Hall Staff Member

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    We had chances at 1 nil to double our lead.

    That doesn't change the fact that when when we eventually sat off Fulham early in the second half we done so with only a one goal lead...
     
  9. parklane1

    parklane1 Tommy Harmer

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    Fair enough i guess we will just have to agree to disagree instead of going around in circles.
     
  10. billyiddo

    billyiddo Willie Hall Staff Member

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    Cool - out of interest what score did you think it was when we sat off Fulham more and invited them on to us?
     
  11. braineclipse

    braineclipse Paul Stewart

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    On that particular issue, a new signing could bring more creativity into the team in other areas to make us play better.

    Someone who can do the job defensively next to Hojbjerg, but be significantly better on the ball.

    A centre back where we don't have to choose between a clear lack of pace (forcing us deeper) or lack of quality on the ball.

    More creativity from wide positions than we're currently getting from Bergwijn, Moura, Lamela, Sissoko or Bale. Though I still think there's a lot more to come from Bergwijn.
     
  12. parklane1

    parklane1 Tommy Harmer

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    To be honest mate i thought we created a few chances after we scored and on other day Son could have had two goals, as for sitting off i really do not think it was that much of a difference the whole game. I suppose during the second half we may have not taken as many chances but i hardly call that sitting off.

    But as we say Stop! Hammer time.
     
  13. braineclipse

    braineclipse Paul Stewart

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    Play better. Fewer obvious weaknesses in our team.

    We're often relying on Sissoko in central midfield. We show a clear shortcoming in both keeping the ball and creating chances. I find it surprising how an upgrade on him wouldn't be expected to result in us playing better. Is there a more limited central midfielder in terms of quality on the ball at any club in or near the top four?
     
  14. billyiddo

    billyiddo Willie Hall Staff Member

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    When Fulham scored the possession was something like 65 - 35 in their favour for the half, which was a reversal of the first half where we pressed on with intent for a second. To me that shows a clear difference in how we came out and approached the game after half time, up until the equaliser, where it was a lot more cautious and safety-first.
     
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  15. parklane1

    parklane1 Tommy Harmer

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    Or you could say that Fulham came out in the second half and pushed/pressed harder which changed the stats on it. As i said we are going around in circles.
     
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  16. braineclipse

    braineclipse Paul Stewart

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    Fulham changed their approach too, right?

    Perhaps we're good in some phases of play and not very good in other phases of play so that when the opponents change their approach we look worse as a result?

    Dealing with pressing has been an issue for the team long predating Mourinho. It's also a rather difficult thing to deal with full stop. To me the solution is more press resistant players.
     
  17. billyiddo

    billyiddo Willie Hall Staff Member

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    But wrt to approach and tactics you don't expect things to change?

    He could play Winks more regularly against weaker teams, he could play Dele, he could play Lo Celso and Ndombele together there are options there for him to show that he wants a better player on the ball to really see his game plan work - but he chooses to not use those available to him. That says a lot.



    They didn't though, they were allowed the time and space in their own half to build up play and we purposefully sat off them as they progressed the ball in to our half - they weren't pushing up winning the ball off us in our own half - we sat and watched as they came at us, as usual.

    But yeah you're right, going round in curcles here
     
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  18. braineclipse

    braineclipse Paul Stewart

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    I would expect tactics to change somewhat at least with a change of players. I would also expect how the team looks to change. Better players tend to do that. Better balance tends to do that. Being good in more phases of play tends to do that.

    I don't expect Mourinho to change into something he's not. He's not going to become a high risk high reward kind of manager. He's not going to start wanting 60%+ possession. We're not going to start playing out from the back with great risk.

    True on him choosing lower risk options when having the option of accepting more risk for the benefit of more creativity. That is in a way a constant with Mourinho. But only up to a point. GLC played very well last season deeper in midfield. This season a fit and match fit GLC really hasn't been an option. We'll see what the plan is with Ndombele, to me it makes sense to get him settled in further forward before moving him deeper, but perhaps Mourinho thinks he's better as a #10.

    We talked a few weeks ago about needing to see progress. To me the Fulham game was progress (though frustrating), it remains to be seen if it can be kept up and improved on further. If it can't, not good enough.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Vivian Woodward

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    15 shots in a game is a change
    But the lack of them in the second half (which coincides with games we’re winning) is clearly an issue
    I wonder if we’re over reliant on one creative outlet in Tanguy in midfield and if he fades, we fade
     
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  20. braineclipse

    braineclipse Paul Stewart

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    I definitely think we are. Particularly with GLC missing. Hojbjerg offers a bit, but he's quite some way off a deep playmaker. Thought we used Aurier and Reguilon better in the first half yesterday, but that too faded in the second. There really is a creative vacuum surrounding Kane and Ndombele way too much of the time.
     

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