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Jose Mourinho

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by mjc23, 20 Nov 2019.

  1. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Terry Dyson

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    Didn’t his United team finish second ?
    Then the next year win 2 proper trophies and the league cup
    And havent United got no where near that since despite spending mega money still

    as I said earlier, we bought him in IMO to spend the money we were getting through the new income. Poch has a relatively poor record when it came to spending big money and everyone loves to call our Jose as a chequebook manager. Now with COVID we’re about £180m light on what was planned and need a more “coach” manager. Issue is we have a chequebook manager on me mega money at the wrong time
     
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    Modric THFC Chris Perry

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    I agree with most of this.
    But why did Mourinho pick players who had no pre season. Especially with another 8 games in next 3 weeks.
     
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  3. metalgear

    metalgear Christian Ziege

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    Same with poch Post CL final and eriksen on the pitch.
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  4. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Terry Dyson

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    Aybe because he thought they were the best available technically and he was saving the others for Thursdays game which is a one off away game he needs to win
    Also he did make a drama about players missing pre season because of CIVID but the club haven’t confirmed who has been isolating because of it (he also says players had to self isolate). Could be that some weren’t available for that reason ... I really don’t know
     
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  5. glorygloryeze

    glorygloryeze Jimmy McCormick

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    Let's get it right: he took over a Emirates Marketing Project that were on a par with Emirates Marketing Project when he joined: yes they were in EL but had finished on same points as City just lost out CL on GD. They then went and bought quite a few expensive big players (Zlantan, Mkhitaryan, Pogba, Bailey etc) but whilst they won both the league cup and the Europa league they still finished 6th and played mostly turgid. Leaguewise, he'd taken them backwards.
    They did then buy Lukaku. Matic, Sanchez and Lindlof and they finished 2nd after starting toe-to-toe with City before tailing off and reverting mostly to turgid. If we ourselves didn't start tailing off from Easter Sunday i think we'd have overtaken them and given their lead in terms of points over us from November onwards says a lot imo.
    The following seaso he was sacked and Ole has gotten much better out of the same playrs he left closer to the bottom 3 than the top 6, similar to how Hiddink and then Conte got those Chelsea players performing better after he left them just above the relegation zone...

    I agree re the current covid situation, but as i've said elsewhere: they knew he was a chequebook manager and yet couldn't but him the striker he and everyone knew he craved in January. Hence, why i ultimately blame ENIC for our predicament: no point hiring Jose if the first thing he shows that he needs you get everything but that...
     
  6. Pirate55

    Pirate55 The Last Man Standing 17/18

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    Again. Blame the recruitment policy, not ENIC.
     
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  7. Benny_Lad

    Benny_Lad Neil Sullivan

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    Don’t forget (and I think this has been covered in various press conferences and the doc) Jose has openly said that he thinks we already have all the big tools in place - and only need a few small additions.

    Whether you think he’s towing the line or even trying to massage the current crop (doubt it) he’s never once indicated that he would need big signings, pre or during Corona.

    So for me, he’s probably operating close to what he shook hands on back last year, it just plays out a little trickier in reality.
     
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    90291Spur Steffen Iversen

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    Many vs Everton played like big tools.
     
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  9. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Les Howe Staff Member

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    I think the issue there is that we had such a nucleus of brilliant players once Son settled that buying was never going to be easy as players want to feel they're in with a good chance of becoming a regular, and in the days of Walker, Rose, Kane, Eriksen, Son, Dele, Jan and Toby, it was tough to convince people they would not start every week when fit; even Dembele would've started every week had he been able to. I thought when the Walker thing blew up, Poch signaled to young talent out there that it WAS possible to come in and make it yours by effectively not letting Walker hold the keys and instead promoting Trippier.

    There are a couple of deals which have always intrigued me (rumored I should say). DeLigt was one of them, Sancho another. Both were players we very actively wanted, and for whatever reason did not happen (in Sancho's case the rumour was Emirates Marketing Project would not sell to us) but given the remit Pochettino had, the stadium build, the financial situation and all of that, we needed to move players out that he wanted to bring the sort of young talent in he could work with IMO.

    I think the only utter disaster was Janssen, and I am not entirely convinced that Poch could not have done more there - it feels like there was a clash early on and he would not let go, but I don't know the story at all.

    The saddest thing is that by the time Levy half did what Poch wanted, the fractures were too great, thus 100 mill of talent only for him to be out three months later...
     
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    thfcsteff Les Howe Staff Member

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    Benzema is a pretty classic number 9 IMO.
     
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  11. Baleforce

    Baleforce Fanny Walden

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    no way he counts as a big lump up front, he’s way better than that
     
  12. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Les Howe Staff Member

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    Great striker, and yes, agreed. I am not calling him Mickey Quinn, but he is a muscular unit of a 9 who was actually stunted by Mourinho precisely because he was not really played to his full potential and consequently was left wandering around lost as Mourinho tried to add "aggressive big CF" into his repertoire. Mourinho saw his physicality and wanted more from that IMO. Sounds familiar sadly. I think Kane has to go at the end of the season if only to be the player he is. Mourinho won't allow him to be that.

    Besides, by your implication, Drogba was "a lump"? Nah. He was quality. Mourinho just wanted all his physically-gifted CFs to become Diego Costa. He might as well fudging sign him again!
     
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    Baleforce Fanny Walden

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    Big lump wasn’t my definition, I defended drogba too, but he was still a dominating forward, Benzema is subtle, deft, elusive, a very different player.
     
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    thfcsteff Les Howe Staff Member

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    I won't go down the rabbit hole here, but you would accept that he has the physical characteristics which would make someone like Mourinho think he can use him as a "Mourinho #9" right? Again, none of the players mentioned are Mickey Quinn! The point being made -as I understand it- is that he likes to have a "target man" which others play off as much as a striker who gets service and is fed via combinations and patterns. The way we set up under Poch, Harry had several interchanging team mates, the license to drift and swap plus a midfielder who could thread the eye of a needle. He is being asked to do a different set of things here, chiefly because Mourinho does not play that kind of football. Fair to say, I think. He appears to like high quality 9s who he can then attempt to turn into snarling animals!!!!
     
  15. Baleforce

    Baleforce Fanny Walden

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    I don’t agree, I can’t really remember, but that’s not the impression I have of his use of Benzema at Madrid either, he was used to facilitate Ronaldo and Di Maria imo, through guile rather than bombast.

    We don’t look like we are trying to play through Kane as a target man to me, long balls are channels or diagonals to runners from deep, and we don’t play that many, our attacking is based on interplay down the right and quick breaks, or balls over the top to Son and Moura should a defence leave space.

    If Kane is being instructed to play with his back to goal lay it wide and spin into the box and get to crosses, he’s not making a very good fist of it.

    I’m not sure Kane is being asked to do different things, other than defensive set piece plays, I don’t see his movement curtailed by strict instruction.
     
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    metalgear Christian Ziege

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    Yeah we good our big tools but they were still budget buy big tools.
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  17. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Terry Dyson

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    We massively massively roostered up with sancho
    We could have got that done as they needed walker
     
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    ricky2tricky4city Pedro Mendes

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    I wish people would stop putting value on the things people say when there is clearly a loaded reason why they would say that. Theyre not being candid and as such should never be used to support your own point.
     
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  19. LutonSpurs

    LutonSpurs Mido

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    Does anyone think the players were not really giving it there all yesterday?

    It is pretty unthinkable that he has lost some of the dressing room but Son and Kane at the end of the game while we were 1-0 down were barely pushing.
     
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  20. DeanoAustin

    DeanoAustin Dean Austin

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    We're talking about a man Levy has pursued and admired since 2007.

    We tried promoting from within with Jol. We tried the sexy foreign manager with Ramos. We tried the good old English manager with Harry. We tried the young up and coming manager with AVB/Poch. We've now gone for a proven winner.

    If all of them only produce a league cup between them, eventually you have to question the man appointing them. The approaches have been varied and fairly all encompassing. The only constant has been Levy and ENIC.
     
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