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Donny Van de Beek

Discussion in 'Transfer Rumours' started by nayenezgani, 29 Aug 2020.

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  1. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Steve Sedgley

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    Oh I disagree there
    Sancho is world class already and is getting better
    donny is very good but is another like for like to what they have

    their debt as of April was £400m ish and then they took out that extra loan
     
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    Finney Is Back Nick Barmby

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    World class? I’m not so sure but that’s just my opinion.

    So about £300m less than ours then?
     
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    Bedfordspurs Steve Sedgley

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    Not now
    It’s about 150m less and their using their recent loan to pay off the debt they had so that will go up
    Ours is there just in case but we could be tapping into it (we not know yet)
     
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    Rorschach Garth Crooks

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    I never liked Dawsons creek anyway
     
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    Finney Is Back Nick Barmby

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    Ours was £657m pre covid. We have since borrowed £175m from the government. So we’re at £830m (ish).

    How do you know what you have stated there?.... that Man Utd tapping into their existing credit facility is to pay off debt they had, whereas ours is ‘just in case’? Also if Man Utd are using theirs to pay off existing debt then surely that portion of their debt reduces somewhat? Is it not more likely that both clubs have uncertain financials over a likely 12 to 18 month forthcoming period so have drawn on available loan facilities to ensure they retain cash flow?
     
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    Bedfordspurs Steve Sedgley

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    I don’t know if we have used our government loan, and we won’t know about that yet.
    United stated when they took out the additional loan it was to pay for debt due this summer and to be used to assist in the costs of buying players this summer. It was certainly described as an additional loan but unlike ours is was for player costs
    Hence why their using it for donny and possibly Upamecano who would be a brilliant signing
     
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    Bedfordspurs Steve Sedgley

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    I do have to say the reporting on this season makes it sound like a mega one and one that was united stealing a march on rivals

    form the outside it looks like they offered what Ajax wanted and offered the player a chance to triple his wages. It’s that easy

    If someone else wanted him they could ha e done the same too

    Using Oles chat with him as “news” is odd. I’d be stunned if a manager didn’t speak to a player he was signing before hand
     
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    Finney Is Back Nick Barmby

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    I don’t think Man Utd stated that at all. Their statement was that they: “precautionarily drew funds from the revolving credit facility to increase cash position, preserve financial flexibility and maintain liquidity during the crisis“.

    I looked at the numbers and Man Utds existing debt was a little higher than I had thought... pre COVID they were sitting at £482m. Adding the additional £140m they have drawn from their credit facility that makes their total £622m, in comparison to our £832m. If they are able to use their new £140m of borrowing to buy players instead of just covering costs as seems to be the purpose of our additional £175m, then they are obviously in a better position than us financially (before you even consider the basics such as debt to income levels).
     
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    Bedfordspurs Steve Sedgley

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    Didn’t say their position wasn’t better than ours
    I did say they don’t have the money people think to buy players, hence why they borrowed a huge chunk of cash
     
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    Finney Is Back Nick Barmby

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    Let's see how much they actually spend this summer before deciding how much money they have to spend. They have just done a £35m+ deal for Van de Beek in about 2 days which doesn't suggest they are trying to penny pinch. Their club have a turnover that dwarfs ours and over £200 million less debt. From a financial point of view it means that they could easily spend another 2 or 3 hundred million and still be in a better position than us financially.

    You previously claimed that Chelsea had no money and had to sell before they could buy, only for Chelsea to then buy Chilwell, agree a fee for Haivertz and also sign Silva and Sarr on (no doubt) lucrative bosman transfers.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Steve Sedgley

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    Yep Chelsea are fudging their own plans for once and making use of the COVID Situation. Their not using their own money like they claim they do regularly. Their taking an injection from Roman and planning for 2/3 seasons as next season their can’t really buy anyone due to the way FFP has changed and they know that (great article in Swiss ramble yesterday on it). Also highlights their spending money they bought in as I said (hazard and Morata money)

    let’s see what united do too
    Your right their turnover is greater than ours but they also pay out a LOT mor run wages and owed a LOT more in transfer fees due, hence the loan to be able to buy. I believe that money would have all gone on Sancho and they wouldn’t have been able to get anyone else hence why that deal didn’t happen. They can now buy DVB and Upamecano for less which makes sense
     
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    Finney Is Back Nick Barmby

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    How lucky Chelsea are to have an owner with more money than he or his family will ever need that also really wants the team he owns to win....

    How lucky Man Utd are that they are in the sound financial position that allows them to be able to borrow money to directly spend on players, taking advantage of the likely depressed transfer fees commanded this summer compared to recent times...

    How lucky we are that the government were offering bail out loans to companies to allow them to stay afloat. :D
     
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    Bedfordspurs Steve Sedgley

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    I don’t think the fees are depressed at all
    Look at the money for Chillwell for example
     
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    Finney Is Back Nick Barmby

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    Let's wait until the end of the window before judging that.... There will be some desperate clubs come end September.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Steve Sedgley

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    Why though? I mean why would clubs suddenly become desperate
    Clubs can just not buy or sell and keep their status quo
    Most clubs in Europe are governed well financially and most U.K. ones with fun ace issues are behest for a £b owner who subsides them
     
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    K.D.D.D.D.Soc Michael Carrick

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    Looking forward to an other season? Nor am I another 9 months of moaning about money and why we haven't spent 300m as that would have won us the league and we could have been exactly like all the clubs we hate for doing that.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Steve Sedgley

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    Scary really
     
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    parklane1 Les Howe

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    K.D.D.D.D.Soc Michael Carrick

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    Christ that take me back, my daughter tells me she's a very nice lady.
     
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    monkeybarry John Lacy

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    I didn't think he was that Pacey
     
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