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Dele Alli

Discussion in 'Classic Threads' started by Denmark Spur, 2 Feb 2015.

  1. LemonadeMoney

    LemonadeMoney Les Ferdinand

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  2. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Ian Walker

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    By your measures we shouldn't be sad when any of players leave.... I don't think Dele's problem is a lack of focus on his game (he trained with a private PT all over the summer for example) I think the problem was a change in our tactics so that we no longer really played with a free number 10, as Dele played his best football.
     
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  3. diego_maradona

    diego_maradona Steffen Iversen Staff Member

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    And this is my biggest gripe with this lazy narrative about Dele. He's a "party boy, more worried about tik tok, lost his edge"... It's all nonsense. He might have gone through a bit of a lull, particularly after his hamstring injury, but the biggest issue was the role we asked him to do.

    Mourinho also made it a point of slinging Dele off at half time on more than one occasion. Make no mistake we knew who Mourinho wanted to take the fall for some results.

    I honestly believe him when he says he just wants to be happy and play football. Hope he gets to do that.
     
  4. JerusalemMan

    JerusalemMan John Lacy

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    I think that was very deliberately done to enable Everton to get through the season without paying anything and abide by regulations and timescales. I daresay our flexibility on that will have made them more amenable to increasing the maximum possible payout in the deal.
     
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  5. Pirate55

    Pirate55 The Last Man Standing 17/18

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    I will really never fully comprehend how a player goes from hero to zero. One of the games mysteries.

    Hope he finds his mojo at Everton and we get £42 m as a result.
     
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  6. Robspur12

    Robspur12 Paul Stalteri

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    Wish I could double like this post.
     
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  7. Robspur12

    Robspur12 Paul Stalteri

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    Thanks for posting really glad the club recognises he was one of our own. I know I am a soppy sod. Must be my age. Will be following him at Everton as I did Aaron Lennon.
     
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    tommysvr Eidur Gudjohnsen

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  9. NaijaSpurs

    NaijaSpurs Johnny Morrison

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    Watching that clip got me a bit emotional, at his best he personified "Peak Poch". He is one player I will definitely not come on here and slag off now that he has left. It is sad that things ended the way they did but I truly hope he finds happiness in the rest of his football career, and I for one will definitely be standing up to applaud him when he comes back with Everton on the 7th March.

     
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    Robspur12 Paul Stalteri

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    I also think the managers since Poch are not risk takers and would not have welcomed the fact that Dele is a maverick who would lose the ball occasionally executing an extravagant flick. Of course he often worked really hard to get the ball back when he lost it. Anyway it is what it is.
     
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    Glenda's Legs Johnny Morrison

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    AjaxDeSuperYids Gudni Bergsson

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    No of course we should be sad when certain players leave but for me not with dele. After-all he really left about 3 years ago. I’m not sad to see this pale imitation go at all. I disagree on the position being the cause of his decline. He began to go backwards under Poch and during that time through to mourinho and even mason (I believe) he played many games in his favoured role. At mk dons he also excelled in deeper than the number 10 roles. His issue as is well documented is between his ears. Just look at his body language between old dele and new. The fight and desire that once existed in that man has largely gone. It is what it is, he’s not the first and wont be the last.

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    Too much too young. Its bound to effect the desire of some of these young footballers and sadly dele is one of those. As I’ve said before if he was playing in the 90s the decline would never have happened.
     
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  13. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Jack L. Jones

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    I’m gutted I’ll be in Copenhagen that night
    The guy deserves a send off from the fans
     
  14. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Willie Hall

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    You saved me a rant.

    So so agreed.

    I loved him and dearly dearly hoped he would find his groove with Conte. Alas different system.

    I wish him all the success. I thank him for the wonderful memories.

    For once the club did a decent thing in freeing him to where he wanted to go. The whole FFP get around for Everton was a rare display of doing the right thing.
     
  15. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Willie Hall

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    In my not humble opinion you are so, so wrong.
    Your 'fight and desire' comment is simply not supported by his stats whenever he played, or his willingness to play positions beyond his natural one.

    Finney has nailed it.
     
  16. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Andy Thompson

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    He will get plenty of love from the fans when he returns to N17. Not all that many characters in football anymore really is there? Dele is a true exception.

    He can come good again. Look at the reversal with Dier... It looked like Alli was the golden boy for many years. And Dier could barely get in the team. Now Alli has to prove himself again, and I think he will if he plays alongside Vanbeek. They could play off each other. Though not sure Lampard has any of Poch's finesse and understanding of emotions/confidence etc. A totally different manager. Alli is completely indebted to Poch. Without him and his team, Alli probably would have never broken through in the way he did. Watching Dele and Kane hit meteoric heights under Poch was one of the most enjoyable, impressive ascents since Tension and Hillary.
     
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  17. Alaric

    Alaric Terry Yorath

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    Agreed! He was a big game player...England could’ve used him stepping up to take a penalty kick this past summer. And, when he was at his best he played the game with joy, swagger, bravery and impudence. My favorite memories of Dele are his piling in at the back post to score his first goal against Leicester, going into the crowd after his first header against Chelsea, the finish against arsenal in the cup match, when he lobbed the keeper with such distain that it was if he’d given keeper two fingers on the way by, and his celebration of Lucas’s 3rd goal against Ajax. I have that image as my screen saver, and while I like the celebrations of Lucas, Son and Alderweireld (and the dismay of the Ajax players), it is Dele’s image I am always drawn to; his eyes are closed tight, his arms are in the air and the expression of pure joy is what I like best. His delight is so obvious, so unaffected that he, to me, looks like a child and I smile every time I see it.

    He is the sort of player who could be frustrating, and who hasn’t lived up (for a number of reasons)to his early promise, but it was a pleasure watching him and I will always wish him the very best.
     
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    tommysvr Eidur Gudjohnsen

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    Absolutely this

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/55432379
     
  19. metalgear

    metalgear Ian Walker

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    Dele's decline was evident when Poch was still around. I don't blame the other managers when they admonish players taking risks without due results. Any player can do that.
    Very sure if Dele assisted and scored like he did in his prime every manager would play him all the time - not just Poch.
    Also if Conte was there instead of Mourinho he would have come to the same conclusion about Dele.
     
  20. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Willie Hall

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    Sorry mate, you’ll be surprised to read that I’m not having that. You can see that Poch employed a different system to Mourinho/Nuno/Conte?

    Mourinho also loooooooves to think he can ‘break’ a personality, he’s always tried it everywhere he’s been, and he fudged unnecessarily with Dele in a way that severely set him back. I’ll argue this til forever, no worries. You mentioned ‘if Conte was there instead’…he has been. And despite the fact he concluded Dele was not a part of his system (this despite a fine display against Liverpool) Conte behaved with class and tact, keeping his thoughts internal and allowing the player some dignity. In fact, the way Conte, Paratici and Levy have dealt with Dele since Paratici’s arrival has been top-drawer and somewhat untypical of how we tend to treat players who are no longer either performing for us or simply in need of a fresh start.

    Hope all is well (I don’t wish to come across as rude) but I do feel strident on this stuff.
     
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