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Dele Alli

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Denmark Spur, 2 Feb 2015.

  1. Raziel

    Raziel Johnny Morrison

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    I'd really like to see a good game from him Wednesday, he's had moments but the only good/dominating game I can recall this season was Marine.

    I also agree, he's off the boil, does game time fix that? didn't for Eriksen (even under new manager)

    We won't get what he was worth a year or two ago, but it may be pragmatic time, anything above £35-40M +sell a couple others if invested right could make a big difference next year.
     
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    Finney Is Back Steffen Iversen

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    I would indeed (though I think we are going to have to sell Son this summer as he’ll be going into the last 2 years of his contract then).

    in fact selling Son and taking Deepay from Lyon on a free would perhaps be a very sensible move in terms of proving the funds for our rebuild. Deepay’ s wages on a free would probably be no higher than the contract we’d offer Son as well.

    I would get rid of Lamela as well however. He is neither good enough or (more importantly) fit often enough to clog up a precious overseas space in our squad.
     
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  3. Raziel

    Raziel Johnny Morrison

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    I'm not fussed one way or another re Lamela, I think we know what he is, but we need to not lose fact that the one thing about this squad that is better vs. previous years is the depth

    - I'd keep Kane, Son (if we can), Bale (if improvement continues), PEH, Ndombele, Reguilon, Aurier
    - Dele fits into his own category as he's a valuable asset that we could cash in on that doesn't affect first team
    - Davies, Lamela, Lucas, Bergwijn, Doherty, Vinicius are all good backup options, you might sell one but selling too many would create you more issues
    - Sanchez, Sissoko, Winks you just outright sell
     
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    Finney Is Back Steffen Iversen

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    They’re not though....
    Davies plays the game at a snails pace. Him covering Regulion is a huge drop off and means we need to completely change the way we play - always a terrible thing.
    Lamela, horribly one footed and injured for half the season. Not reliable at all. Cut loose.
    Doherty, slow, poor defensively, cannot dominate his flank. As with Regulion/Davies a drop off in quality that means we need to change the way we play. Cut loose and bring in a player more similar to Aurier (admittedly a lower priority than the left hand side however).
    Vinicius. Will cost us valuable transfer fee money to keep (perhaps quite a bit of our budget). I don’t think we can afford to be wasting it on him.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Vivian Woodward

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    Agree with all to this although I do think Doherty needs time to settle
     
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    Finney Is Back Steffen Iversen

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    A player with umpteen seasons in England and a year of PL football prior,to us should not need time to settle.

    Interestingly enough I noticed their second goal yesterday he loses a (weak) tackle to Lindegard and then casually jogs back. Had that been Aurier the Aurier player thread would’ve been full,of ‘weak’, ‘lazy’, ‘doesn’t care’, etc.... doesn’t happen with Doherty though for some reason? Wonder why that is?
     
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    Bedfordspurs Vivian Woodward

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    It’s exactly how Aurier used to defend you mean? I mean there are plenty of people slating Doherty besides yourself and that’s fine.

    Personally I think when we sign a player we shouldn’t be writing them off too soon. Especially when as you say he has played on these shores for some time, but it was in a different system admittedly. I mean unless he has now become a bad player?
     
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    Finney Is Back Steffen Iversen

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    What attributes do you see in him that you like and think makes him a Champions League level player?
     
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    Bedfordspurs Vivian Woodward

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    None in a Spurs shirt so far
    But I saw him play very well at wolves
     
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    Finney Is Back Steffen Iversen

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    Which attributes? Pace? Power? Passing? Dribbling? One on one defending? Positional sense?
     
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    Bedfordspurs Vivian Woodward

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    His defending was good
    I mean he okayed really well when they w at us both times and also scored
    He was good with the ball and good running too
    But he did have a settled team around him and was comfortably in his role
     
  12. Raziel

    Raziel Johnny Morrison

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    This is where you and I struggle mate, you are a dreamer (not a bad thing), I'm much more pragmatic

    - Lets say we address the CB issue, get a backup keeper and sort the Son, Bale and Dele situations this summer (that is 5-6 high profile transfers/transactions)
    - We make decisions on Sessegnon & Skipp
    - We try to offload Winks, Sanchez & release Rose

    On top of that list, you want to

    - Sell/release our backup RB, utility LB/CB cover, AM and the most successful backup striker we have had in what 7 years?

    So you are advocating in a Covid window with a manager still to prove himself (or new manager) to do 12+ transfers?

    Individually there is logic in some of your observations, doing it all in one go, just isn't' going to happen
     
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    Finney Is Back Steffen Iversen

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    I see no point in having Davies in the squad. He is a very average player who cannot adequately replace our first choice because he doesn’t have anything like the same attributes, this means we have to change the way we play. Sessegnon can cover Regi. Let’s sell Davies and generate some funds.

    I’m not sure we need a ‘backup’ keeper. I think we might need a new first choice one (or at least one who can properly challenge Lloris)
    The existing backup striker will cost us £20m+. If money was no object then we might as well keep him, but unfortunately money is very much an object. If we spend the money on Vinicius then we probably can’t afford to address our glaring weakness in the centre of defence.

    1 x keeper (both Lloris and Hart stay)
    2 x CBS (any two of Dier, Toby and Sanchez can go)
    1 x backup striker (whether Vinicius or A.N.Other - and personally I don’t think we can be spending the money to make Vinicius perm)
    1 x CM (Sabitzer would mean all of Winks, Sissoko and Lamela could go IMO). Skipp of course comes back from his loan.
    Left back we’re fine as Sess comes back (so punt on Mr Average Ben Davies and raise some funds). Rose is released.
    Right back, I’d rather we upgraded Doherty but it’s not a massive priority, I just think that in a further year’s time he’ll be worth very little.

    For a team without Daniel Levy running things that number of transfers is possible. Alas we’re not that lucky!
     
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    glasgowspur Frederic Kanoute

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    It was never going to happen all in one go, and the age differences between Kane for instance at one end and Jan and Toby at the other meant that if we took too long to get it right the top players we had weren't going to peak at the same time.
    If we aren't careful by the time we get in a solid base in defence and bed them in Kane and son will be past their peak.
    Ndombele and reggie are our stars of the future and those are the ones we should be building around and making plans for.
     
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    Bishop Gudni Bergsson

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    Dreaming is thinking if we don't make wholesale changes things will improve.

    More seriously I agree with Finney's mindset. There's a ton of dross in the side that rarely impacts positively. At the same time I agree with you there is no way we make all of it happen, especially with slow laboured over negotiator Daniel Levy at the helm.

    We do need to address things in priority terms CBs is a must but I think we can lose 2 of Lamela, Moura, Bergwijn and Dele and suffer no loss to squad quality. Some of those players can also generate semi decent fees so maybe it's something we should seriously look at.
     
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  16. Raziel

    Raziel Johnny Morrison

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    Fair enough mate, but go look at how bloated United, Scum and other squads are

    - Buying the right players is tough
    - But dumping players is even harder, especially if they are on decent wages

    7 senior players +couple of youth players is the most I think we have ever done in any window, at risk of beating the dead horse .. to expect to double that in a covid window?

    Prioritize -> CB -> 2nd/challenging keeper -> ST -> CM, anything beyond that is bonus ..
     
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    afsoc4life Young-Pyo Lee

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    Indeed Raziel, squad management is a lot of balls to juggle. Managing people and emotions while getting things done is not so straight forward.
     
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    LincsSpur Andy Gray

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    Maybe he does but I haven’t seen anything from him so far to justify us buying him in the first place
     
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    LincsSpur Andy Gray

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    Hmmmm
    The worst thing for me was him getting bullied off the ball far too easily then just jogging back when they were on the attack

    PEH did that earlier on too

    Not good enough
     
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    Bedfordspurs Vivian Woodward

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    The improvement in Aurier?
     
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