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Cristian Romero

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by AdamB, 6 Aug 2021.

  1. spurspinter1

    spurspinter1 Chris Armstrong

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    The post in question made me wish there was a dislike button on the forum.
     
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  2. Bishop

    Bishop Mauricio Taricco

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    Dawson objectively not a good defender. In his time we conceded less than 40 goals just once, and over 50 goals on for occasions. He was NOT a good defender. He was blessed to sometimes play with Lesley. Take King and we saw the real Dawson and that was not a good sight.

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  3. DeanoAustin

    DeanoAustin John Lacy

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    That's a nonsense way to evaluate an individual defender...

    In 2009/10, we conceded 41 goals in 38 games. Dawson played much of that season with Bassong alongside him. Seems decent to me.

    This season, we've already conceded 39 goals. I assume Romero will objectively be "not a good defender" if we concede two or more goals between now and the end of the season?

    I also assume Ledley was "objectively not a good defender" given his record is probably the same as Dawson's.
     
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  4. metalgear

    metalgear Jack Jull

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    I think it's the other way around.
    Romero helps Dier look good.
    Imo, Romero can get better in his current position if we get better CB than Dier, or move to CCB and upgrade on our LCB and RCB. CCB is where I think Romero will truly shine with his vision and ability to ping balls forward.

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  5. Bishop

    Bishop Mauricio Taricco

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    No he just wasn't a good defender. Mediocre would be a good description of him. The stats just back that up. By all means rate his enthusiasm and mentality but he was average and wouldn't get into most backlines we've since the era he joined. He was poor on the ball and incredibly easy to dribble past if you had any degree of trickery.

    And yes 40+ goals conceded in any season is objectively poor. We can and need to do a lot better than that if we want to take our league season seriously.

    Lesley had to play with the likes of Dawson, of course his record isn't great.

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  6. braineclipse

    braineclipse David Ginola

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    I think RCB in this system is perfect for him. Allows him to do his aggression thing while having a player covering for him. He's very good on the ball and also good on the ball under pressure. It's a good use of his qualities to have him play in a role where he is often put under more pressure rather than the central CB that often gets a bit more space and time.

    He's even useful roaming forward when we attack from this role.

    No doubt he could play CCB. But to get the most out of him we would have to tweak our system with him still being more aggressive and the wider centre backs doing more covering.
     
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  7. JerusalemMan

    JerusalemMan Nick Barmby

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    Wrong. (if it really is an honest view and not just a Mr Controversial fake opinion)
    He played well for a top ten club in the highest tier of English football, being first choice for a number of years. He was at least a good defender.
    Not the best, not world class. Not quite international class. But certainly good.

    Maybe you're spoiled/distorted by only watching the best clubs and the very best players, but across the spectrum of professional football, he ranks highly.
     
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  8. spurspinter1

    spurspinter1 Chris Armstrong

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    No one is trying to make out he was Maldini but if you haven’t picked up on the general tone, allow me to explain - Perhaps it’d be a positive thing to show some respect to a great servant of the club, who gave his best every week leading to some of the most exciting times for our club in the modern era. Might be a bit more classy than emojis, nicknames and illogical arguments.
     
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  9. metalgear

    metalgear Jack Jull

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    Thing is he is too busy to ping balls forward at rcb so a bit wasted there.
    Also if I recall correctly Conte's Chelsea had a marauding and sometimes reckless CCB that won the league.
    With Romero at CCB and contributing to midfield presence, It will allow centre mids to focus more on supplying the forwards
     
  10. Bishop

    Bishop Mauricio Taricco

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    I'm sorry I offended you but I called him a donkey in 06 and I'll still call him a donkey in 2022. That's just my opinion of his playing ability. He was distinctly mediocre.

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  11. parklane1

    parklane1 Terry Dyson

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    Dawson was not the best CB of the time but he was far from mediocre. imo
     
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    spurspinter1 Chris Armstrong

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    Ironic choice of word in donkey when it’s you being as stubborn as an ass :p:D:eek:o_O;):rolleyes:
     
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    papaspur Steve Hodge

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    Reuben Dias makes mistakes too, like when we played against them the last time. This hyper-focused microscopic analysis of one player's fraction-of-a-second lapse in a 90-minute match always fails to see the bigger picture at play. For those keen to wheel out the strawman, this is not a statement against criticism; very rarely do posters here actually analyze the whole build-up to a conceded goal and instead seem to fetishize the individual mistakes as opposed to mistakes the team as a whole makes (i.e., player A gets taken out of position so player B is forced to cover for him, player B loses his original man so player C is then forced to cover for them, etc).
     
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  14. DeanoAustin

    DeanoAustin John Lacy

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    Yeah all players make mistakes. For me, with Romero, my general criticism is that he’s too aggressive at times. I realise that’s being hyper critical because the guy is the best centre back we’ve had since Toby and Jan and I am a massive fan and have been since he got here. So it’s a general criticism and the Villa and City games support that view.

    At some stage, I think he’ll cost us an important game through a red card or a mistake. If and when that happens, you’ll have people on here saying “he’s over rated and not that good”. He is that good but he has faults that could get exploited.
     
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    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    Bit premature to compare Romero to the likes of King but as signings go he’s one of the best we’ve made in years. Should be in with a shout of captain too, think the rest of the players would really respond to his passion.
     
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    glasgowspur Paul Walsh

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    Despite his limitations i always liked and respected dawson.
    He gave his all and it obviously hurt when we lost.
    The fact he was here so long and were able to retain him says more about the level we were at than it does about him imo.
     
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    Spur of the moment Nick Barmby

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    As does the fact he helped us win the League Cup in 2008 (though missing the final through injury) and qualify for the CL in 2009/10, winning Spurs Player of the Season that campaign into the bargain. Also won 4 England caps.
     
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    ricky2tricky4city Rafael Van Der Vaart

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    papaspur Steve Hodge

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    Imagine if Romero didn't have to do his job and Royal's job too
     
  20. DeanoAustin

    DeanoAustin John Lacy

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    Ah come on, be fair. Royal did okay defensively on Sunday as he does most times he plays.
     
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