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American politics

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by Danishfurniturelover, 26 Jan 2016.

  1. braineclipse

    braineclipse David Ginola

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    If this is an important enough issue to spend time on I think it's appropriate to look at the actual reasons given.

    I do agree that this kind of thing can go too far at times.

    The first news story I found was on a statue:

    https://www.npr.org/2020/12/29/9512...-freed-slave-at-his-feet-is-removed-in-boston

    Seems like a decent enough decision to me.
     
  2. Jurgen the German

    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    That statue in particular is troublesome I’d agree. But in general, schools are renaming themselves as people like Lincoln and Washington aren’t deemed worthy enough anymore.

    https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news...e-washington-abraham-lincoln-dianne-feinstein
     
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    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    Fake news is attributed to Trump but the term was coined well before he started using it.

    CRT is a divisive issue among both liberals and conservatives, but it’s mainly the right that has issues with it.
     
  4. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Willie Hall

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    Trump was a puppet who went rogue. Pence is a nasty extremist who will be just as bad. If they get DeSantis on his ticket he will be fine. Pence was always their guy, Trump their vessel IMO. The Dems are so all over the place it is silly.
     
  5. Jordinho

    Jordinho John Cameron Staff Member

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    Looks like the plan is to give state legislatures the power to overrule the popular vote. The states that won Biden the election, like Georgia, suddenly goes to the republican candidate instead
     
  6. P.D.

    P.D. Vedran Corluka

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    Only if the Republicans are in charge of the states at that time, don't know whether these states vote differently at local level but wasn't that a solid red state that went blue. Could happen whenever the next state elections are too no?
     
  7. Diamond Lights

    Diamond Lights Steve Hodge

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    i see a lot of women complaining in the US about abortion rights being taken away (rightly so).

    Just a reminder that the majority of white women voted in 2016 for Donald Trump over Hilary Clinton.
     
  8. Baleforce

    Baleforce Clive Allen

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    WHAT ABOUT THE EMAILS
     
  9. braineclipse

    braineclipse David Ginola

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    A fair amount of them would be for the change in abortion rights to be fair.

    Hopefully a wake up call for those that weren't.

    Edit: Just to be clear, some of this change is on Trump. But my comment is mostly on voting for Republicans. I'm almost certain Trump himself is carelessly indifferent to abortion rights.

    Any vote for any Republican, at any level, is support for this and the other changes made and incoming by this supreme court. That was the case in 2016 too, but understandably a lot of people probably didn't realise that at the time.
     
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    Baleforce Clive Allen

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    I don't think so, the tea party influence was long established, the Republican Party was a dangerous religious cult before trump got involved.

    These people know exactly what they are voting for.
     
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    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    Obama tried to get Ruth Bader Ginsburg to step down from the Supreme Court and retire because she was getting on in age and so that he could appoint a successor. She refused and Trump replaced her with a republican instead. I’d vote democrat if I was American but boy they don’t help themselves at times.
     
  12. braineclipse

    braineclipse David Ginola

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    Some did, but I think many didn't.

    It was clear to see if one invested time into this with a sufficiently open mind I think. Many people don't. Or for various reasons they believed, or let themselves believe, that this wouldn't happen.

    If you could go back in time and ask people who voted for Trump if they thought they were voting for abortion restrictions many people would have honestly answered no. They were wrong, but people are often wrong.
     
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    Bullet Steffen Freund

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    People are wilfully stupid.
    They will find one item they care about and vote on that basis, regardless of the other policies.
    E.g. if you don't want the hospital in your town to close, you will vote for the party that keeps it open, regardless of whether that party also advocates banning abortions or whatever
     
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    braineclipse David Ginola

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    I think that's part of it. People actively choosing to stay uninformed. Honestly in a lot of situations I can understand that. Getting more informed about politics can be a low priority in people's lives.

    I also think it's a case of people actively being misinformed and encouraged to care about one single issue and ignore others. Effectively misinforming people on political issues is a sizeable, and for some rather profitable, industry.

    We're all susceptible to manipulation in many forms.
     
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    Jordinho John Cameron Staff Member

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    Jordinho John Cameron Staff Member

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    Mr_B Niko Kranjcar

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    i would have loved to see how a non contraception rule would be enforced!
     
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    Mr_B Niko Kranjcar

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    Texas law will restrict the amount of damages paid but this is only family, other families will also now file defamation lawsuits
     
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    P.D. Vedran Corluka

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    Just seen they've passed an inflation reduction bill which is based around spending even more money.
     
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    Rorschach Vivian Woodward

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    It is a climate bill really with some other stuff including tax increases and some health stuff, and is being correctly lauded as the most important climate bill in history in climate circles. It is not perfect but is huge progress nonetheless and I've seen it would save about 2 trillion over 20 years or so.
     

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