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American politics

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by Danishfurniturelover, 26 Jan 2016.

  1. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    Surely Biden now has to expand the size of the supreme court and appoint 4 human beings to balance things up again?

    Also, in general, how can a court be supreme to the government in a country? Courts should be independent arbitrators of laws, but not decide them
     
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    braineclipse David Ginola

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    Been for and against court packing, seen good arguments for and against.

    These decisions definitely swing me more in the pro direction, fudging hell. Still not sure how that plays out well longer term. Definitely won't look good from a Republican point of view, could easily trigger several more such decisions, where does it end? But at the same time how much power should these 9 people have to make these blatantly political decisions?

    Biden doing it, I think that's very unlikely.
     
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  3. Robbo

    Robbo Chris Perry

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    So strange there's no limit to how long the supreme court justices can hold their positions. Especially now they're more political than ever. I just don't see the logic of life time appointments, or how it can possibly be beneficial for the American public.
     
  4. braineclipse

    braineclipse David Ginola

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    It's partly just the way it's been for a long time and changing it would be cost to impossible.

    I think part of the reasoning would have been to keep the supreme court fairly conservative (not politically conservative necessarily, but resistant to change) and not an institution that will quickly move from one position to another. The wish for balance between some institutions that can and do change relatively quickly and others that do not.

    In part perhaps also a wish to limit power, a counter balance to the president and congress as they would only be able to change the makeup of the supreme court over a relatively long time, so a protection against populism for example.

    Good ideas in theory, arguably also in practice for many years. I'm no historian, but I think the founders looked at Roman history and tried to put in balancing factors to prevent some rather unfortunate outcomes.

    Right now there's (imo) quite clearly an activist supreme court, actively looking to overturn existing judicial precedent based on political ideology. A job that should fall on the legislature. It's my favourite buttplug. It's no longer a check on the political power of the president or legislature, it's just a political power grab.
     
  5. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    Stopping your country becoming one of the most socially repressive places on earth is surely worth hitting the nuclear option. This is a stain akin to the Gulags
     
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  6. braineclipse

    braineclipse David Ginola

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    I think that's an overstatement, though I get your point.

    I think part of the calculation should be, how will this impact the next election. Not because I'm particularly concerned about Biden being president, but if doing this helps mobilise the right, help them retake the oval and Congress then you're not even back to where you started in a couple of years, you're even worse off.

    It could be worth it. Biden doing it though... I would be shocked.
     
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    Jordinho John Cameron Staff Member

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    Jordinho John Cameron Staff Member

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  9. Jurgen the German

    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    I love Murica as I have family there, but i couldn’t live there. For one of the shining examples of democracy that it is, it’s still a very backward country. As much as I criticise the left, I’d 100% be a democrat if I did live there. The republicans are nuts and have been completely absorbed by Trump.
     
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  10. Rorschach

    Rorschach Vivian Woodward

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    Trump is fudged. That was some damning testimony.
     
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    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    He’s got more lives than a fudging cat. He will get away with it like he always does. I’d settle for him never being able to run for president again.
     
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    Rorschach Vivian Woodward

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    More lives than a bag of cats but I'd put money on him going down now, or at least being indicted. Direct testimony today was stunning stuff and really only the tip of the iceberg. The DOJ likely has all this and more, including the documentary they were filming. That's how confident they were it would succeed.
     
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    monkeybarry Chris Perry

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    There is a joke about shooting your load in there - but I think I'll leave it
     
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    Rorschach Vivian Woodward

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    Disgraceful. A fudging mind-numbingly stupid decision based on greed.


    Got to go nuclear on them now. Expand the court, impeachments, whatever it takes.
     
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    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    Turns out Obama was smart to politely hint to Ruth Bader Ginsburg that she should step down.
     
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    Robbo Chris Perry

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    I'm getting increasingly confident I will experience the end of USA as we know it in my lifetime.

    Unless the world ends first, of course.
     
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    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    Saw someone describe Murica as a “toxic marriage where people do things for spite”. Couldn’t think of a more perfect analogy.
     
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    Jordinho John Cameron Staff Member

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    Robbo Chris Perry

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    Yeah, and rape is involuntary intercourse, while murder is involuntary death.
     
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    Jurgen the German Jimmy Cantrell

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    Another reason I don’t like political correctness. This is right wing PC as opposed to left wing PC. It’s essentially sensitivity over truth.
     
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