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All or Nothing - spoilers

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Denmark Spur, 25 Sep 2019.

  1. Benny_Lad

    Benny_Lad Neil Sullivan

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    Is he struggling to use his brain? Interesting. how exactly?

    And what do you mean by 'his attitude' and 'cant adapt'?

    I'm really curious as to what you've actually seen and know to lead to these statements/findings?
     
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  2. 90291Spur

    90291Spur Steffen Iversen

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    So is there a correlation between culinary skills and attitude and adaptability?
     
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  3. billyiddo

    billyiddo David Ginola Staff Member

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    Phil neville famously has never made as much as a cup of tea all his adult life - if you're looking for extra meaning in something like that you'll find it i guess.
     
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  4. 90291Spur

    90291Spur Steffen Iversen

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    Buy Gary Neville not only made loads of cups of tea but also cooked pasta with Becks. And G Nev was WAY more successful. So there you have it. Except that Harry Kane has a chef. I suppose it means that you can do well if you can cook, you can do better if you can hire someone else to cook for you? It's all very confusing. But I guarantee that Jose has a team that is all over food/drink making in the squad and picks the team based on this vital area of life.
     
  5. spitshine

    spitshine Ramon Vega

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    I’m basing this on a little itk, the documentary does him no favours whatsoever. Now he’s been left out of the team he’s either not listening or not smart enough to adapt.

    The point is he’s had everything done for him so probably needs a shock to his system e.g a transfer to PSG get and we can buy a quality cb with the money.

    we need a cb, w e don’t need Dele in the current system.
     
  6. Raziel

    Raziel Jimmy Neighbour

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    My takeaway

    - Jose got it right in his assessment, too nice
    - It is clear in multiple scenarios that this team had no sense of accountability to their teammates, no one would call out others for their brick (hence Hugo calling out Son was such a "shock")

    If Jose can fix that (either by instilling it, or changing players), we may cross that final hurdle.
     
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  7. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Nick Barmby

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    I think they come across as preferring not to dig out their mates even if it means not improving results. One of them really needs to grow a pair and sort it out.


    Also think dele is doing the dumb thing very tongue in cheek, but he's living up to a stereotype so some can't see it.
     
  8. StephenH

    StephenH Chris Jones

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    Dele is fine IMO, yes he's off form and is still recovering from injuries of the last 18 months.
    He still 'quality' and we need that at Spurs.
     
  9. Daisuk

    Daisuk Chris Perry

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    Haha. Dorkus.

     
  10. DeanoAustin

    DeanoAustin Jermaine Jenas

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    I think that’s a bit harsh as it implies Dele just sits back now he’s made it. I’d imagine he worked his arse off to be a pro. I don’t think there are many pros who don’t dedicate their lives to being professional players. It’s an incredible achievement and takes a level of commitment that most/all of us have ever managed.

    He looked like he was going to make it by the time he reached 16. A lot of growing up that I had to do occurred between the age of 18-25. That’s when I learned to do a lot of stuff for myself. Dele, like most pros I’d imagine, was having that stuff done for him so he could focus on his football. You can’t judge his maturity by normal standards. Likewise, you can’t judge his intelligence, professionalism or workrate as a footballer by his maturity level – I think that’s unfair to him and many other footballers/celebrities.

    He came across as a bit immature to me but very likeable nonetheless.
     
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  11. MKSpur

    MKSpur Vedran Corluka

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    Finished it now. No matter how they get and dress it up the season ended on a damp squid. It was almost like I’d recovered the stupid blind hope during the doc that there would be a happy ending !
    Overall I think it hasn’t done any damage and really does show off our facilities. Most players came out of it ok, other than Rose and Dele who I’m sure from other times I’ve seen him on camera is more intelligent that the doc makes him look. Levy came over a little in awe of Mourinho and not as distant from the players as I’d expect.

    i think the team talks and tactics were heavily edited, partly for professsional secrecy and partly because I think there’d be some specific things like kick x / fudge this club etc. It felt like they knew they were on camera so it was stilted. It also reminded me of some of those key things that went against us and with a little more luck / stronger reaction meteorology to these events and with the signings we have made already it gives room for optimism. The instructions Mourinho has been filmed giving are not far off what we ask for as fans, so whether it’s editing out the ‘sit deep hit them in the break’ or the players aren’t capable of pressing is an interesting one for me.
    Also it reminds me just how vital Kane is for this group, he looks to be mature and a deep thinker and he’s just so reliable in front of goal. Would be great to get a full managed season out of him.
    And what a job it must be to be a professional footballer, I’m it even sure they wipe their own arses!
     
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  12. MKSpur

    MKSpur Vedran Corluka

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    “It is true that Phil did make his first coffee last week. We’ve been together for 18 years and he has never made me a drink.

    “He has also never used a hoover, mop, dishwasher, or washing machine.”

    It appears both Neville brothers leave a lot to be desired when it comes to domestic skill.

    In a fly-on-the-wall documentary in 2000, David Beckham was preparing dinner at Gary Neville’s home and asked for a wooden spoon - only for Neville to open a cupboard and discover he had a dishwasher.

    He also told Beckham the cooker was ‘on fire’ when he saw the gas flame.
     
  13. 90291Spur

    90291Spur Steffen Iversen

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    Seems like nit picking to me ;)

    And also undermines the scientific correlation that Dele's inability to prepare food incontrovertibly links to his attitude.
     
  14. spitshine

    spitshine Ramon Vega

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    Who said that?
    The inference was that he’s had it all and it’s been plain sailing for him since he was 15, therefore he’s probably not had to engage his brain.
    Hence he’s either finding great difficulty taking on new ideas and hint from Jose.

    Beans comment on the documentary I took it as face value and he wasn’t playing up to the cameras. It was quite embarrassing.
     
  15. 90291Spur

    90291Spur Steffen Iversen

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    Beans aside, If you have suffered trauma in your formative years it doesn’t magically disappear when you have career success. And the notion that getting to where he was at his peak was ‘plain sailing’ is also absurd.

    there is no doubt that his standards have fallen, but to casually sneer at his lack of experience in taking care of himself is crass.
     
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  16. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Terry Dyson

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    It was in face value
    It shows he needs some balance in his life
    I don’t know if his missus is serious with him but at the very least get a chef like Kane did and enjoy the trappings of success that way
     
  17. monkeybarry

    monkeybarry John Lacy

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    This is really important.
    What he needs now is a mentor - he still acts like a petulant kid instead of like a professional and part of a team unit.
    He is a top old for that now, but there are mitigating circumstances.

    I wonder if Bale will have any influence.
    He needs a Roy Keane or Gary Neville.
     
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  18. parklane1

    parklane1 Gary Stevens

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    Someone who will kick him up the arse?
     
  19. Glenda's Legs

    Glenda's Legs Steve Carr

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    Am I one of the only ones to be quite pleased that one of our elite players does not know how to cook baked beans? (Or rather did not, maybe lockdown had a negative impact on his diet).

    The TFC podcast ran an interview with the producers of the series. They had gazillions of hours of filming and had to decide on which stories to create. Dele is young, marketable and well-known to football fans (not just Spurs fans), so ideal to feature (imo). I wouldn’t read too much into anything shown in carefully edited clips (same with Mourinho, where I admit I have been guilty of being led by my own bias).

    Dele always comes across as very mature in interviews, although perhaps a bit too petulant with the chucking down of water bottles. If anything the jokey parts of the series showed him to be in good spirit with those around him, and fun. He’s been struggling for a while, whether through injury, being played out of position, or general lack of form - probably a combination of all three. Maybe it will mean that he doesn’t fit in a Mourinho team, which would be a great shame in my opinion but perhaps not an outrageous outcome. But let’s not judge his maturity on his culinary abilities and his fascination with whether or not to put water on his toothbrush (why would anyone do that?).
     
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  20. Bishop

    Bishop Allan Nielsen

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    I personally think all the attitude stuffor whether he can cook or whether he's a super serious character or not are irrelevant.

    Ultimately we judge based on the performances on the pitch and Dele's have been poor for quite a while. Whether he can turn that around remains to be seen but as has been discussed as infinitum it looks a difficult prospect given how specific a player he is and the system seemingly necessary to get the best out of him.
     

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