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Jose Mourinho - SACKED

treepits said:
Any talk of sacking is embarrassing to be honest. The guy has had six months, no pre season, no summer transfer window. Any manager would deserve better but especially one that has his record. Anyone who is seriously suggesting we sack him obviously has an agenda but whether you like him or not as a person, he consistently delivers success.
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Not sure i fully agree. I may have always been 'Poch In' but i'd happily be on the Jose train if i saw improvements or methods, i fail to see either. The football is poor and if we had won the last few games you could excuse it. But draws to brick teams and embarrassingly poor losses to others - i just don't think it's working. I want it to, but can't see it.

Stat: Tottenham have had few shots on target in July than Tomas Soucek

Stat 2: Soucek was also Spurs joint top-scorer for June.
 
Diamond Lights said:
Not sure i fully agree. I may have always been 'Poch In' but i'd happily be on the Jose train if i saw improvements or methods, i fail to see either. The football is poor and if we had won the last few games you could excuse it. But draws to brick teams and embarrassingly poor losses to others - i just don't think it's working. I want it to, but can't see it.

Stat: Tottenham have had few shots on target in July than Tomas Soucek

Stat 2: Soucek was also Spurs joint top-scorer for June.
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But don't you think 6 months is just not long enough to give any manager, especially if that doesn't include a pre season? I agree, the football has been pretty wretched since the restart but there are a few mitigating issues there I believe

Perhaps we should make Soucek our no.1 transfer target?
 
Some positives, though it's obviously hard to ignore the lack of creativity, flow and chances.

Getting better defensively. Individual errors will take time, either to improve players or make new signings. We're looking more cohesive, players seem to know what they're doing. Despite having (imo) a makeshift DM in Sissoko we're looking fairly solid. Defending set pieces we also look way better.

Struggling massively going forward. Rather worrying no one is delivering in attack for us.

I think the rest of this season is primarily a chance to figure out which players are responding well, who can work under Mourinho and who can deliver for us going into next season. I think we see signs of Mourinho looking for answers rather than short term results. Some players are stepping up (imo Dier, Aurier, Ndombele in the second half last night). Others we know have quality, it's a question of time. Others can't be relied on. Mourinho gaining that knowledge could be very valuable going into the transfer window and next season.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...nger-ancelotti-ferguson-past-it-a9610116.html

some ammunition for the Jose out gang
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It’s an interesting point, but it doesn’t show if a managers reduction in Trophies is also coupled with a reduction in resource / rival clubs getting injections of cash making the competitions more competitive. Also only a few clubs can realistically win trophies, I’m pretty sure Colin clown shoe as an example is still getting a similar win % return at this stage in his career, as he’s always managed similar size clubs?
 
treepits said:
Any talk of sacking is embarrassing to be honest. The guy has had six months, no pre season, no summer transfer window. Any manager would deserve better but especially one that has his record. Anyone who is seriously suggesting we sack him obviously has an agenda but whether you like him or not as a person, he consistently delivers success.
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I kind of agree here. The problem is that if we give Jose the summer window and pre-season to improve things we potentially throw away next season as well.
 
Realistically we (the club) are not going to get ready rid of Jose.

Levy I think would have expected (at least a chance of) a short term fix/bounce. Injuries are a legitimate excuse for hampering that.

The problems are....

Covid is a curve ball going forward regarding finances, we have a manager that likes finance.

If we give Jose this window and next season, something is going to have to improve because if things are toxic now how are we going to get thru another 6-7-8 months of it?

It does look like we as fans have just been substituted in for Utd fans (who largely had the same gripes)

The other stark similarity with United is the vibe, demeanour, happiness, energy, collectiveness of the players/team...it feels like it's all lacking. Jose is the common denominator?
 
Finney Is Back said:
I kind of agree here. The problem is that if we give Jose the summer window and pre-season to improve things we potentially throw away next season as well.
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It's a tough one as it looks like we go scattergun if we sack Jose (plus the cost)...that said we want an instant up turn BUT as Arsenal and Man U have shown (and even Liverpool until recently) it can take seasons to look even half decent again.

The manager is everything...the value the right man can add cannot be argued.
 
elltrev said:
You think he was telling the truth when he said the stadium didn’t affect our transfer budget? I just don’t understand how that could be possible, and I think the data I shared gives very strong evidence that it’s not true.
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Finney Is Back said:
I kind of agree here. The problem is that if we give Jose the summer window and pre-season to improve things we potentially throw away next season as well.
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But surely you can’t be an advocate of binning him off after 26 league games ??

what is clear (again) is that the players who were performing 3/4 years ago cannot or won’t perform anymore

That needs fixing and changing and that needs work from all levels of the club

all managers need time to change from old to new. Klopps a shining example of where giving time to a manager can show rewards and Arguably he went backwards before going forwards (with a team that had previously came closer than us to win the league).

I’m not saying Jose is Klopp but he has a better CV. He may be dead now, but I think he needs more than 26 league games with the circumstances to judge
 
Bedfordspurs said:
But surely you can’t be an advocate of binning him off after 26 league games ??

what is clear (again) is that the players who were performing 3/4 years ago cannot or won’t perform anymore

That needs fixing and changing and that needs work from all levels of the club

all managers need time to change from old to new. Klopps a shining example of where giving time to a manager can show rewards and Arguably he went backwards before going forwards (with a team that had previously came closer than us to win the league).

I’m not saying Jose is Klopp but he has a better CV. He may be dead now, but I think he needs more than 26 league games with the circumstances to judge
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At the very start of my post I said ‘I kind of agree here’.

Sacking Mourinho would be wrong. Levy has made his (IMO wrong) choice and now we have to live with that until late next season at the soonest.... and not just because it will cost about £20 million we don’t have to get rid of him,

It is quite interesting though that the money he spent sacking Poch and recruiting Jose would’ve made up the shortfall on the Bruno Fernandes fee for example.

The Liverpool and Klopp point is an interesting one. Their owners gave him great backing. Will José get that same backing I wonder?
 
Finney Is Back said:
At the very start of my post I said it kind of agree here’.

Sacking Mourinho would be wrong. Levy has made his (IMO wrong) choice and now we have to live with that until late next season at the soonest.... and not just because it will cost about £20 million we don’t have to get rid of him,

It is quite interesting though that the money he spent sacking Poch and recruiting Jose would’ve made up the shortfall on the Bruno Fernandes fee for example.
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Who maybe Poch wouldn’t have wanted come January..we will never know
 
elltrev said:
You think he was telling the truth when he said the stadium didn’t affect our transfer budget? I just don’t understand how that could be possible, and I think the data I shared gives very strong evidence that it’s not true.
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Are you talking about when he said as such in meetings with the trust recent(ish) or way back when ie before the stadium build even started?
 
Finney Is Back said:
At the very start of my post I said it kind of agree here’.

Sacking Mourinho would be wrong. Levy has made his (IMO wrong) choice and now we have to live with that until late next season at the soonest.... and not just because it will cost about £20 million we don’t have to get rid of him,

It is quite interesting though that the money he spent sacking Poch and recruiting Jose would’ve made up the shortfall on the Bruno Fernandes fee for example.
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Can we all stop the whataboutery with Fernandes...it so riddled with hindsight.

If Ndombele was the one we didn't sign and he'd gone to another club and performed as he has here...we wouldn't mention him at all.
 
treepits said:
But don't you think 6 months is just not long enough to give any manager, especially if that doesn't include a pre season? I agree, the football has been pretty wretched since the restart but there are a few mitigating issues there I believe

Perhaps we should make Soucek our no.1 transfer target?
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Whilst I agree he needs time, there should be no coach in the world that needs time to be able to piece together a team capable of having a shot on target against Bournemouth. Their form is absolutely dreadful. And we were hanging on against them. That’s without mentioning the games against those titans of Norwich who also outplayed us and had us playing counter attacking football, at home.
 
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