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The "If we go down" thread

Ok, if the worst happens (50/50 I'd say), which players do we want to keep, players who would fight to get the club back up to the PL?
I'll start by saying the "must keeps" are Gray, Danso, Madders, Solanke, Porro.
Who else?
 
I’d like to keep Gray and Bergvall if possible, whilst I can see some other quality in the squad, I’ll be honest - if they get us relegated clear the entire bloody lot out for all I care.

I’ve never been this tinkled off at the entire club.
 
Trying to stop thinking about the possibility.
Was there the last time we went down to the old 2nd division but it was a different time where most teams could win a cup, win the league, get relegated.
For us to be in this position in this era is scandalous.
As for keeping players, we may not be able to afford to keep them and most would want to leave.
Keep Gray, Bergvall, Solanke and promote the youth.
How has it come to this, if we can't muster 3 wins from our final 11 games then we deserve to go down.
 
Who could we afford keeping? Who would be motivated to stay? Who would desperately want out?

I think we’d have to see a mass exodus if we go down. A complete reset, more or less. All the internationals would want to play at the highest level, for instance. Then again, we can’t sell them all.

I still can’t really picture us going down. The other teams down there with us aren’t exactly world beaters either.
 
Funny thing is I think we'd have quite some difficulty selling for anything reasonable. The players themselves are mid but their wages tend to be high. Not many are getting a Top 6 and those are the ones who can afford the fee and wages.
 
I don't even want to imagine it! It would be a complete disaster, and it would probably take decades to get us back to where we were only a couple of years ago (if ever).
Just the thought is horrifying!
 
So the first thing to understand is the how the PSR rules work in the Championshp. Instead of a percentage of revenue that can be spent it’s a maximum loss of £35M. Crucially this only includes the salarys, transfer amortisation and general costs of running the club. So players, coaching and medical staff as well as general staff. Vinais salary counts and so does the guy that serves you a beer in the stadium making £10 an hour. Also the cost to cut the grass and put the heating on at the training ground.

In terms of revenue it is the same rule as the Premiership although they have tightened up rules like UEFA around ownership loans, equity & cash injections and doing stuff like selling your women’s team and stadium. So the Lewis family can put money in to keep the academy, women’s team, community projects running but that cant be spent on players to get us out of the league.

Current Expenditure 2025/26
  • Players - £250M
  • Net Transfers Owed - £100M
  • Coaches & Medical - £25M
  • General Staff - £50M
  • Running Costs - £100M
  • Interest repayments - £50M
  • Academy, Women, Community - £25M
Total - £600Million - £525Million

This season the club is expected to generate around £650M+. The club then factors in stadium debt interest payments and depreciation, mostly related to the stadium and runs a loss to avoid a hefty tax bill.

Projected Revenues 2025/26
  • Domestic & UEFA TV/Prize: $250M
  • Matchday: $150M
  • Commercial: $250M
Total: $650Million

With the loss of Champions League & Premiership TV & Prize money, along with a dip in Matchday & Commercial the expected revenues estimates would be.

Projected Revenues 2026/27
  • Domestic TV/Prize + Parachute: £75M
  • Matchday: $100M
  • Commercial: $150M
Total: $325Million
(Projected loss - £200Million)

So we are £200Million over the allowed loss of £35Million. We can cut some costs in expenditure. Assume about £50M from what we spend on coaching & medical staff, non football salarys as well as general costs to run the club. Im also going to assume we can save another £15M in wages from any relegation clauses we have in contracts, or renegotiating contracts to a lower salary but with a large bonus should we get promoted. Which I think you can do because not all of these players are going to be moving to clubs that are prepared to match what they are making today.

That leaves £135Million total that would need to come from selling players to generate transfer fees and cutting the wage bill. The wages come right off and you would be getting about 1/3 of the transfer fees upfront. I would break the players down into the following categories.

Players already leaving
Ben Davies Free + £4M
Yves Bissouma Free + £3M
Manor Solomon £8M + £2M
Alejo Veliz £7M + £1M
Joao Palhinha Return + £8M
Randall Kolo Muani Return £8M
£5M + £28M = £33M

Players we sell even if we stay up

Vicario £30M + £3M
Dragusin £20M + £3M
Bentancur £10M + £4M
Richarlison Free + £4M
£20M + £14M = £34M

Marquee Players +1 Season

Porro £40M + £5M
Romero £40M + £10M
van de Ven £70M + £3M
£50M + £18M = £68M

So you have made £75M from transfer fees £60M of the wage bill which makes up the £135M shortfall. With another £150M coming in future seasons.

Projected Expenditure 2026/27
  • Players Wages - £175M
  • Transfers Owed - £100M
  • Coaches & Medical - £20M
  • General Staff - £35M
  • Running Costs - £70M
  • Interest repayments - £50M
  • Academy, Women & Community- £25M
Total - £475Million - £400Million

Projected Revenues £325M + Player Sales £75M = £400M
vs
Projected Expenditure £400M

This has us breaking even with a £35Million buffer that can be spent on new players and wages. There is no upcoming World Cup so we hold steady and don’t sell any of our best young players, good players we signed in the past 2 windows and those injured for the bulk of this season. We go in to the Championship with;

Kinsky
Spence Danso Vuskovic Udogie
Gallagher Bergvall
Kudus Maddison Xavi
Solanke

Austin
Byfield Phillips Takei Souza
Gray Sarr
Kulusevski W.Barnett Moore
Tel

Odobert injured until January. You then consider either bringing back some young players out on loan or using the players that have made the bench this season to buff out the squad. That gives you 26 outfield players and 3 keepers.

GK - Gunter or Maguire
DF - Dorrington or Roswell
DM - Abbot or Hall or Oluesi
CM - Devine or Donely
WF - Yang or Ajayai
CF - Lankshear or Scarlett
CF - Wilson or Melia

Or you use your £35M buffer to sign some more players. I think an experienced keeper just in case Kinsky struggles is really all we would need but can see the fanbase demanding some signing. But I’d rather use that to go and persuade Pochettino to still return. You can tie a massive bonus into the deal to get him his full whack. If not Kieran McKenna has the expirience of getting a team promoted and will play attacking football.
 
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I think we'd be fine financially, for the first year at least, Levy has only been gone a few months, they've not had the time to undo his prudence and he'll have had some kind of protection against such circumstances.
 
I think we'd be fine financially, for the first year at least, Levy has only been gone a few months, they've not had the time to undo his prudence and he'll have had some kind of protection against such circumstances.

The club can take on the losses but we would need to comply with the PSR rules. Per my post above. We’re going to be losing £200M+ when the max is £35M. We then go back up and get a points deduction like Leicester & Forest had.
 
Bizarrely, I think most of our players will be in demand - they are all good players; they are just a mess together.

Vic - back to Italy
Porro - Plenty of suitors
Danso - probably back to Germany
Romero - will be the first to demand to leave
VdV - will be so close behind Romero you won't see his shadow
Spence - a Villa Saudi Sportswashing Machine type
Bergvall - big rep
Udogie - back to Italy
Xavi & Tel - still have good reputations, sure someone in Germany or France will be stupid enough.
Vuscovic - I think he'll go in the summer no matter what.
Kulu - loads of suitors

Madders - will want to leave. Might have some lower PL suitors. Might not.

Sarr - might stay. Will have options. But I suspect he'd stay.
Solanke - I think he'd stay one year.
Richi - same as Solanke.
Gray - will have lots of options. I think he'd stay and focus on being a regular and developing. He seems to have his head screwed on.

So:
Kinsky
New RB
Dorrington Phillips Takai
Davies might get a new deal?
Souza

Gray
Sarr
Gallagher?

Moore
Yang
Donley (edit - apparently Oxford have an option to make permanent)
Williams Barnett

Gallagher - unknown.

Solanke
Richi?
Lankshear
Melia?

Just typing that - I want half of that top lot gone and the bottom lot given the space to step up; a few of them will.
 
Bizarrely, I think most of our players will be in demand - they are all good players; they are just a mess together.

Vic - back to Italy
Porro - Plenty of suitors
Danso - probably back to Germany
Romero - will be the first to demand to leave
VdV - will be so close behind Romero you won't see his shadow
Spence - a Villa Saudi Sportswashing Machine type
Bergvall - big rep
Udogie - back to Italy
Xavi & Tel - still have good reputations, sure someone in Germany or France will be stupid enough.
Vuscovic - I think he'll go in the summer no matter what.
Kulu - loads of suitors

Madders - will want to leave. Might have some lower PL suitors. Might not.

Sarr - might stay. Will have options. But I suspect he'd stay.
Solanke - I think he'd stay one year.
Richi - same as Solanke.
Gray - will have lots of options. I think he'd stay and focus on being a regular and developing. He seems to have his head screwed on.

So:
Kinsky
New RB
Dorrington Phillips Takai
Davies might get a new deal?
Souza

Gray
Sarr
Gallagher?

Moore
Yang
Donley (edit - apparently Oxford have an option to make permanent)
Williams Barnett

Gallagher - unknown.

Solanke
Richi?
Lankshear
Melia?

Just typing that - I want half of that top lot gone and the bottom lot given the space to step up; a few of them will.

We really don’t have to sell anyone that’s not on massive wages. Spence, Danso, Vuskovic, Udogie, Bergvall, Tel. Evan VDV.
 
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