***OMT - Tottenham Hotspur Football Club vs AFC Bournemouth***

[Baleforce]

I truly believe that it doesn`t matter who coaches us until we change our recruitment policy and stop buying or loaning cast offs from europes big clubs we will be the same old same old. Does anyone actually think Bayern would have let Tel go if anyone there thought he would turn into a top player. And its ok to take a punt on young players from lower leagues but the only one recently I think looks like they could be a regular first team starter is Archie Gray all the rest look average at best

90% of the players in top level football have been cast off by a big club at some point in their career

as he's come up in this thread recently, Kane was an arsenal cast off...

it's far more complicated than that

 

[DeanoAustin]

We’ve picked up the 11th most PL points stretching back over a 125 match period, I think we simply have to accept that we’re a bottom half club again and hope that when Solanke, Kulusevski and Maddison finally return their lengthy injury lay-offs haven’t shorn them of what made them such special players and in the meantime hope that Muani and Simons discover their mojo and make us forget about Kane & Son…

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I can’t accept that we are worse than Fulham, Brentford or Brighton. Yes we have to be realistic, we’re not top 4 challengers anymore, but accepting we’re not as good as those teams and are a bottom half club is a dangerous dropping of standards.

There were extenuating circumstances towards the end of last season which will have skewed our points total somewhat.

Frank should not be able to hide behind statistics like that.

 

[Mikey10]

I can’t accept that we are worse than Fulham, Brentford or Brighton. Yes we have to be realistic, we’re not top 4 challengers anymore, but accepting we’re not as good as those teams and are a bottom half club is a dangerous dropping of standards.

There were extenuating circumstances towards the end of last season which will have skewed our points total somewhat.

Frank should not be able to hide behind statistics like that.

Unless he’s focusing on the CL. (We’ll only find out if he wins it. )

 

[parj]

We pressed in the first 15 minutes today and it was quite effective.

But then we stop. I know the other team can start raising their game but that doesn't stop us pressing. It's like we wait until we go behind to start pressing again

 

[billyiddo]

I can’t accept that we are worse than Fulham, Brentford or Brighton. Yes we have to be realistic, we’re not top 4 challengers anymore, but accepting we’re not as good as those teams and are a bottom half club is a dangerous dropping of standards.

There were extenuating circumstances towards the end of last season which will have skewed our points total somewhat.

Frank should not be able to hide behind statistics like that.

IDK, if missing players were an excuse last season they should be this season too.

That excuse only stretches so far though and managers need to find solutions- it's what they are paid to do.

 

[Bishop]

I can’t accept that we are worse than Fulham, Brentford or Brighton. Yes we have to be realistic, we’re not top 4 challengers anymore, but accepting we’re not as good as those teams and are a bottom half club is a dangerous dropping of standards.

There were extenuating circumstances towards the end of last season which will have skewed our points total somewhat.

Frank should not be able to hide behind statistics like that.

You can accept it or not, that's up to you but the table simply does not lie. You get the points you earn. Period.

 

[DeanoAustin]

You can accept it or not, that's up to you but the table simply does not lie. You get the points you earn. Period.

It’s a bit of an arbitrary table (125 games) so I wouldn’t be putting so much stock in it that its definitive.

If Frank or the club think it’s acceptable for us to finish behind Brighton, Brentford or Fulham because we’re worse than them, we have more serious problems than I thought.

 

[Eriktheviking]

I truly believe that it doesn`t matter who coaches us until we change our recruitment policy and stop buying or loaning cast offs from europes big clubs we will be the same old same old. Does anyone actually think Bayern would have let Tel go if anyone there thought he would turn into a top player. And its ok to take a punt on young players from lower leagues but the only one recently I think looks like they could be a regular first team starter is Archie Gray all the rest look average at best

What is worse is the we had Tel on loan first and was pony then Still decided to buy him!

 

[Nexus1967]

90% of the players in top level football have been cast off by a big club at some point in their career

as he's come up in this thread recently, Kane was an arsenal cast off...

it's far more complicated than that

It`s a fair point but I just think our recruitment has been very poor for many windows now. I sincerley hope the likes of Oderbert Tel and Simons come good to name a few but from what I`ve seen I don`t see it at Premiership level. And I am not singling out those 3, plenty of our players look very average to me. How many teams in the top half of the table would Bentancaur be a starter for ? If we sacked Frank who would we have in his place? We seem stuck in a rut that is going to take a good while to get out of.

 

[Bishop]

It’s a bit of an arbitrary table (125 games) so I wouldn’t be putting so much stock in it that its definitive.

If Frank or the club think it’s acceptable for us to finish behind Brighton, Brentford or Fulham because we’re worse than them, we have more serious problems than I thought.

The arbitrary bit is fair enough.

The last 4 years from the start of the 2022 season. Brighton already ahead of us. Only 4 points ahead of Brentford and only 7 ahead of Fulham. Then the closer you get to today the worse out points total is relative to the teams you cite. It's only going in one direction.

This has been coming slowly but surely season after season after season since Poch was fired and even that was with Kane and Son available for the majority of the first half of this table.

I wouldn't even claim Frank is part of the solution but I know our players are the big part of the problem.

Either that or we luck into another Messiah coach who is able to massively over deliver.

 

[Dr Rosenrosen]

I think we were unlucky today second half we deserved at least a point if not more. And Sunday I think we deserved the win. You have to hope as we get players like Solanke back and Xavi, Odobert and Tel start to play more regularly together we can turn some of these matches in our favour. But yeah not good at the moment.

Please help me understand "deserve" here. It is a word that I simply don't hear used in other sports - Golf? Downhill skiing? Volleyball? Baseball? Kayak racing? Tennis? Yet I hear football pundits and punters use it all the time.

Does it mean trying hard, putting up a valiant effort? Possessing the ball for a long time? Hitting the crossbar or otherwise not converting shots? Or that the result was a fluke of luck? Or poor officiating? If a golfer misses four putts, or a baseball batter hits a foul ball, or a rugger misses a drop goal, it's not said that he or his team "deserved" something else.

Honest question.

 

[SteveAWOL]

The arbitrary bit is fair enough.

The last 4 years from the start of the 2022 season. Brighton already ahead of us. Only 4 points ahead of Brentford and only 7 ahead of Fulham. Then the closer you get to today the worse out points total is relative to the teams you cite. It's only going in one direction.

This has been coming slowly but surely season after season after season since Poch was fired and even that was with Kane and Son available for the majority of the first half of this table.

I wouldn't even claim Frank is part of the solution but I know our players are the big part of the problem.

Either that or we luck into another Messiah coach who is able to massively over deliver.

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Yup, we’ve been in a negative spiral stretching back 400 PL matches since the glory days of Pochettino… if only he’d been backed as well as Legohead is now then perhaps we’d not be enduring quite such an excruciatingly painful rebuild Hopefully one of these youngsters we keep punting on will turn out to be as legendary as Son & Kane…

 

[thfcsteff]

Didn't stop Chris Hughton or Dennis Irwin being very good...just saying.

Hughton was far more two-footed than most. He also had Tony Galvin roaring outside him, allowing him to invert more often than not/swap with Galvin when necessary. He was my favorite player alongside Glenn during those years, what a player!

 

[thfcsteff]

But then we stop. I know the other team can start raising their game but that doesn't stop us pressing. It's like we wait until we go behind to start pressing again

As soon as Bournemouth scored you could see the fear. We're short of confidence. When we went 2-1 down I thought we were in for a pasting. I was impressed to see the fight to hang in and try to bring the game again.

 

[Raziel]

Hire

Hire Glasner, if we don't do considerable surgery on the starting 11 let alone the squad we will be back here in 6 months and either you will have finally accepted the truth about this squad or you'll explaining why Glasner also needs to get sacked.

I've seen you say this about Conte, Ange and now Frank. None of them are faultless but maybe, just maybe you're overrating the squad we have and truthfully I have no idea why. It's bog standard with 0 stand out players. Not even a moments player to steal points in games where maybe we didn't deserve it. Bournemouth had that today in Semenyo.

Conte got 4th mate and would have continued to do well if he didn't have a mental breakdown, Ange got 5th in his first season as well before his inability to adapt to others sussing his system out cause us to fail.

We have got zero bounce from Frank

Again, if we sat between 8th-10th and were taking care of Wolves, Brentford, Bournemouth, etc, I'd say, sure, limitations of the squad.