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  1. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

    Sorry, who is the guy with the CV in this equation?
  2. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

    Yes, and the reason I feel entirely comfortable and consistent in doing that is that before the horrendous injuries Ange did actually show the type of football he wanted to play, and the players and fans were on board. There was an amazing start and a good first season to finish 5th, then we...
  3. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

    You have to be able to look at the fear with which the team played, the uncertainty, how this translated to the crowd in a way we have never seen. It was not just the injuries, because this was happening before the worst of the crisis started to bite this year.
  4. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

    Goodness grief. This actually says a lot about how we are talking past each other. We lost a lot of games under Ange, but the players never lost belief, and that allowed us to actually win a trophy. Again, Frank came in and told us all we will lose games, he said we weren’t really a CL club...
  5. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

    Hold on a minute, what is happening here? I have defended Ange, on the basis that injuries destroyed the second season, that we focused on the Europa and didn’t play our starting centre backs in the league, and I’ve also said that I wonder how he would have done in the new PL, whether he would...
  6. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

    I don’t think that analysis sufficiently takes into account destroying the confidence of the team and making them play below their station. The players were capable of more and knew it. Of course the injuries played a massive part in both seasons. But the fear on the pitch and in the stands is...
  7. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

    I don’t disagree you can find the odd section of games where we looked ok under Frank, Liverpool for periods at home, City second half at home, Wolves first half at home, Brentford etc. The issue is that Frank, because of his decisions, actually ruined the confidence of the squad. They had...
  8. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

    But then RDZ showed much more intent and initiative with the team in 2 games, than Frank did his entire time, with a worse squad of players? And with a central midfield pairing that people said was the reason the football was bad. It was Frank’s fear and incapacity to adapt to the demands of...
  9. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

    Brentford did not play good football in isolation, again that’s the entire point I’m trying to make. A team has to deal with the situation their opponents give them the majority of the time. More teams would give Brentford more space because a Brentford game would be one marked on the calendar...
  10. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

    You may be right, but in the statements they put out they talk about plating a certain way, and Frank talks about taking risks being one of his key things.
  11. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

    Character assassination 😂 come on man. Are people really talking utter jive? I think the core point of teams offering Brentford more space (because they attack them thinking it’s more likely to be a win) than Spurs is true. Racking up goals at Brentford does not translate necessarily to...
  12. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

    They played quick and attacked as a pack is entirely the point. Teams did not sit back against them, so he constructed a team that would take advantage of that space. He couldn’t do the same at Spurs. He needed to show intent and initiative. I think it’s perfectly balanced to call it like it...
  13. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

    I think part of it is that what passes for good football at Brentford is not the same as at Spurs. We need to be able to seize the initiative. So when Brentford break on City at the Etihad and win 3-1 it looks like good, exciting, dynamic football. But was Frank ever truly tested on breaking...
  14. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

    But to bring this back to Vinai in the Vinai thread…do we think that Frank in his interview process explained that he would play football that would be pleasing to the Tottenham fans, but first he would start from a solid base before ‘adding layers’, in the way that his Brentford team also...
  15. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

    I’m very open to the idea that RDZ’s football better integrates defensive solidity and attacking intent than Ange’s does. And I do think what RDZ was able to do with a decimated squad completely low on confidence is incredible. But Ange’s ‘football’ was actually very good, very pleasing on the...
  16. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Vinai Venkatesham - CEO

    Nah. To compare Ange and Frank in this way is massively off for me. Not withstanding that Ange never lost the squad and didn’t systematically destroy their confidence, Ange’s football was never as GHod awful as Frank’s. For the simple reason that what we saw from Frank was what Frank actually...
  17. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Thomas Frank - Former Head Coach

    Right, injuries definitely played a part, but the level of fear amongst the squad and the fans is something I’ve never seen. I’ve also rarely seen us as bad as we were in that Chelsea home game, or the opening of the Fulham home game, or the Saudi Sportswashing Machine game. At the point of Chelsea he had a...
  18. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Thomas Frank - Former Head Coach

    I’m fine to continue talking about it when the people who appointed him and said he was the stand out amongst 30 candidates with 10 key criteria are still running the club. Especially when those people then persisted with him through obviously terrible football and results at least 3 months too...
  19. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Thomas Frank - Former Head Coach

    Yep, very much agreed, I actually give Frank a pass on the fitness, to the extent that if he only really wanted to press for 30 minutes of a game then his preparation would be in line with that. If Tudor wanted to do something different, that’s fine but it is different. Otherwise though, I...
  20. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Thomas Frank - Former Head Coach

    Totally agreed. It is way more than not fitting. It was just so utterly bad, and much of it came down to Frank’s decisions. Like…it’s easy to think now the stadium is back behind the team and there’s unity and confidence again. But think back to the Fulham home game, the Palace home game, the...
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