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  1. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    ***OMT Tottenham Hotspur Football Club v Nottingham Forest***

    This is still the biggest credible argument I see for the idea that we will stay up. Because it simply has to turn at some point. It is crazy to be this bad. But two things now worry me: We’re already in ‘can it really be this bad’ territory. 13 games without a win. It’s already surely...
  2. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    What was the trigger in our downward trend?

    I agree, there’s no one factor. And I do always try and see the other side of these debates. I think where I land on Ange is, if we prioritised the Europa, played weaker teams in the league, and then failed to beat Bodo or got utterly spanked in the final, I would have more sympathy for the idea...
  3. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    What was the trigger in our downward trend?

    Sure, I don’t disagree with you broadly but whichever way you slice it, no win in 13 games and being a point outside the relegation zone with 7 to play is not ‘what they are’. I think what is happening with the squad to be this bad, this consistently is something way bigger than that.
  4. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    What was the trigger in our downward trend?

    He was forced to play Tel upfront alone during the injury crisis and then barely used him in the team when the first choice was selected once we started prioritising the Europa. Tudor has come in when confidence is on the floor and unity is seemingly completely shot. He has his own set of...
  5. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    What was the trigger in our downward trend?

    I think if Ange had started with RKM and Simons he would have gotten more out of them than Frank did. We also probably wouldn’t have sold Brennan leaving us with zero right wingers to play. I also think he would have had Romero and VDV for more games and gotten results with them too. Probably...
  6. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    What was the trigger in our downward trend?

    Fair enough. I’m not denying it’s the trend. I just think there have been various inflection points in the last two years with context around them that explain some of it, and also provide moments as to where we could have turned that trend around but didn’t.
  7. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    What was the trigger in our downward trend?

    There was every chance, all other things being equal, that even if our away form normalised that our home form could also improve. Unfortunately we had a terrible manager who put out a team that gave the home fans absolutely nothing to cheer for (quite literally in the attempts stats) and I...
  8. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    What was the trigger in our downward trend?

    I just don’t agree. When we needed to win last year to secure our safety, we basically did. Then we had the opportunity this year for a fresh start. Then we started the season pretty well. Why, if it is all a hangover from last season, did we actually start quite well?
  9. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    ***OMT Tottenham Hotspur Football Club v Nottingham Forest***

    Yeah, I’m completely agreeing with you!
  10. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    ***OMT Tottenham Hotspur Football Club v Nottingham Forest***

    Agreed, but that’s exactly my point. I don’t know how, with the support the players got today, how we lost 3-0 in a game that important. I think it shows that the situation with this squad is incredibly serious and beyond being solved with one solution or another. So I think as fans we have...
  11. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    ***OMT Tottenham Hotspur Football Club v Nottingham Forest***

    Yeah I thought we played a good first half and got sucker punched. And whether the subs just confused the players I don’t know. VDV didn’t look fit to me, felt he was beaten for pace a couple of times when we never usually would be and so I get why it was changed. There was a moment just...
  12. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    ***OMT Tottenham Hotspur Football Club v Nottingham Forest***

    Massively agreed. The fans need to keep it up in defiance. Because if they don’t do it, the players certainly aren’t going to hit a good performance level. But even if they do and still get nothing from the players, as fans we need to be defiant because we and this club will be here after these...
  13. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    What was the trigger in our downward trend?

    Obviously I disagree, but I think there’s something interesting in the fact that it was the two teams playing today. Both teams sacked their managers when the squad was behind them. And both are going into a relegation battle after the final international break. I think if we’re talking the...
  14. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    ***OMT Tottenham Hotspur Football Club v Nottingham Forest***

    Agreed, the problem is way beyond Tudor. What do you even say to that game? The fans did their part, the atmosphere was there, the positivity was there. The idea that everyone was together. And we started pretty well. But the moment it goes against us we just completely fall apart. That’s not a...
  15. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Igor the Departed

    It’s really interesting your final point there. I get the sense that we may have truly hit the nadir at the club, as it’s clear both fans and players have realised that the way it was all going down was going to destroy us. So it looks like the players have all agreed to just get together, get...
  16. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Igor the Departed

    Yeah, looking back it was completely bizarre. We literally had no plan in possession, whether that be settled possession or even the hint of an attempt at a counter attacking game. if we got the ball back, we would set up slowly, get the ball wide, and sling in crosses. It was like our football...
  17. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Igor the Departed

    Totally agree with you. I spent a bunch of time on Claude AI the other night. I was trying to probe it around the arguments for the reasons VAR is the way it is. Really trying to prompt it not just to tell me what I want to hear, but to give me any argument at all that they can’t drive better...
  18. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Igor the Departed

    I think an unprecedented injury crisis during a period of playing a game every 3 days was the cause of our league form tailing off last season. I don’t think Ange was lowering standards because of that, he was trying to keep the squad onside and united because they were getting hammered by...
  19. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Igor the Departed

    Yeah I mean saying the ref was for the ‘home team’ is just a non native speaker saying plainly most of the decisions went their way, rather than bias. If Tudor gets anything other than a fine after everything we’ve had to deal with this season from refs I might seriously flip out.
  20. SissokoWasGood (BoL)

    Igor the Departed

    Sigh…I know most people are probably bored of the debate but we were simply not in relegation trouble last season. This season we are. Had we been last season, we would have made different player selections in the league and likely pulled away. We probably wouldn’t have allowed the squad to be...
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