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  1. BrainOfLevy

    Ange departs

    I would have loved to have stuck with Poch or allowed him to strengthen when we were challenging for the title. I would have loved to have backed Conte, considering he has proven he can win the league against richer opponents if he gets the right pieces for his system. We have not had a...
  2. BrainOfLevy

    Ange departs

    Honestly I just don't understand how the context of a massive, historic injury crisis and a relentless schedule keeps getting ignored! He finished 5th in his first season! As you say, Spurs is a top 6 club. I have full confidence we would have been back to 6th as a minimum in his 3rd season.
  3. BrainOfLevy

    Ange departs

    I think 'multitude of reasons' is doing a lot of work there to be honest. We haven't kicked on because we didn't back Poch. Or Conte. Poch and Klopp started at the same time. Liverpool kicked on with an aggressive move for a top goalkeeper and centre back and have won league titles. Poch was...
  4. BrainOfLevy

    Ange departs

    I think even the eye test shows we played a very different form of football from December onwards. That was the coaching staff adapting. There was no solving of his system, because we weren't even playing his system. On your last point, I think they saw enough. From Poch. From Conte. Arguably...
  5. BrainOfLevy

    Ange departs

    We'll have to agree to disagree...I am never referring to the Europa win as a 'bit meh'. I couldn't give a toss about our league form this year because I believe our injuries screwed us from being able to finish in the European spots. I therefore wanted to maximise our chance of winning the...
  6. BrainOfLevy

    Ange departs

    Said another way, @billyiddo, we've challenged for the title seriously, twice. Ever under ENIC. That's what I'm not happy with. 5 is the average, there'll be a few top 3-4 finishes in there, and there'll be some 7-8th places too. But we challenged for the title when we decided to rip up the Doom...
  7. BrainOfLevy

    Ange departs

    Since 09/10: 09/10: 4th 10/11: 5th 11/12: 4th 12/13: 5th 13/14: 6th 14/15: 5th 15/16: 3rd 16/17: 2nd 17/18: 3rd 18/19: 4th 19/20: 6th 20/21: 7th 21/22: 4th 22/23: 8th 23/24: 5th Average: 4.73, rounds up to 5th. I've been kind here and left out the 17th place finish, which would have...
  8. BrainOfLevy

    Ange departs

    I mean you can decide that, because our manager did, and won us a European trophy for the first time in 41 years. All the while the players remained fully behind him despite a terrible season in the league. If you want to seriously challenge in 4 competitions, you need a squad to compete to do...
  9. BrainOfLevy

    Ange departs

    This is exactly the point. I think the reason people are now seemingly more and more waking up to the 'Doom Loop' with regard to manager turnover is this sense that we have established ourselves in the top 6. Our spending and wage structure is designed that we can always propel ourselves back...
  10. BrainOfLevy

    Ange departs

    I’m sure this has been done to death but honestly I’m surprised at how much the extent of our injuries, combined with the combination of the relentless schedule at the time that they happened, has seemingly been forgotten. His coaches have talked about how they tried to adapt in the league, but...
  11. BrainOfLevy

    Ange departs

    Each to their own. Personally I would have been furious had he risked one of our crucially important players for meaningless League games and risked their availability or condition for the Europa. Once it became clear we weren’t going to be relegated there was no difference between 17th and 9th...
  12. BrainOfLevy

    Ange departs

    I just don’t agree, but that’s ok. I do wonder whether the fans in Japan thought his style worked in Australia but wouldn’t work in their league. Especially when they were tracking towards the bottom in his first season. But it ended up working. I’m not sure why for example if the system had...
  13. BrainOfLevy

    Ange departs

    I actually don't disagree with this point. I do think Ange's system required a lot of things to be in place to work well. Chief among them is Van De Ven being fit. Having full backs that could invert. And having a culture where immense bravery and the confidence to keep doing what is asked in...
  14. BrainOfLevy

    Ange departs

    I won’t go back and forth on the injuries but I think the combination of the amount of them, at the time that they happened, alongside a game every 3 days schedule, that was pretty unprecedented. I don’t remember another team suffering like it, ever. On Amorim, if adapting actually makes it...
  15. BrainOfLevy

    Ange departs

    The context that he spent the majority of this season trying to get us through a historic injury crisis, playing in a way that adapted his ideal system but maintained the principles for the long term. That’s why I give him a pass on it and say, it’s no different to Amorim coming mid season. Both...
  16. BrainOfLevy

    Thomas Frank - Head Coach

    I keep thinking that there is no perfect blend of idealism and pragmatism that serves as our cheat code. It’s just philosophies and choices with different trade offs. We’ll be good under Frank. I have no doubt. But there’s a really obvious, basic trade off with the idea that he’s kinda...
  17. BrainOfLevy

    Ange departs

    I see this argument. I just think that, again like at all of his clubs, the injuries usually work themselves out once the players are adapted. And if our squad thought seriously that Ange was putting them at risk, he wouldn’t be as beloved as he clearly is. Again for me it goes back to needing...
  18. BrainOfLevy

    Ange departs

    I just don’t really buy that Amorim ‘deserves’ to be backed any more than Ange does just because he came mid season. To go along with your original line, either it’s tactically suspect or it isn’t. If Amorim gets a pass for coming mid season, I could argue Ange deserves a pass for winning a...
  19. BrainOfLevy

    Ange departs

    This is what I don’t understand. There is no magic coaching formula. There is no perfect combination of idealism and pragmatism. All choices and all philosophies have trade offs. Is Amorim’s performance at United this year a tactical failing? I think it’s blatantly obvious they believe in his...
  20. BrainOfLevy

    Ange departs

    Losing Ange and curiosity about what the fan base thought. Some perverse desire to make sure a man often misunderstood gets a fair hearing in some random tiny corner of the internet. And the feelings that it stirred about ENIC.
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