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  1. J

    OT: What next for Harry?

    I haven't dismissed it, I just try and be reasonable and compare what he achieved with what other managers could realistically have done. I think given the restrictions Spurs managers find themselves working under, then I think we should be grateful to be in a position to "throw away" 3rd place...
  2. J

    OT: What next for Harry?

    When Martin Jol was coming to the end of his time there was a poll on COYS asking if the members would rather we lost if it meant getting rid of Jol and over 30% said yes.
  3. J

    OT: What next for Harry?

    It's not. It might not be true and it's not something I can prove. But you can't say it's preposterous given so much of the anti Harry bile posted. I made a joke about Gutter Boy in response to Scaramanga post, but at the same time are you really going to say my claim is preposterous when you...
  4. J

    OT: What next for Harry?

    Yes I fully understand it and said something similar the other day. I thought about it before posting it also. I've been thinking ti for a very long time and the more time the passes that more I've become convinced it's true. As much as you might not like me having this opinion, surely you can...
  5. J

    OT: What next for Harry?

    So are you saying, if I were to understand it as a misconception, you'd ban Gutter Boy?
  6. J

    OT: What next for Harry?

    I don't think it's anti AVB. It's anti certain posters and therefore AVB will get dragged into it for purposes of comparison. I find it very difficult to dislike AVB himself, but there are a large number of posters I have an issue with. I'd go as far as I actually dislike what they stand for as...
  7. J

    OT: What next for Harry?

    No one is denying he bought older players. But the criticism is that he wanted to fill the team with older players and that often he bought with no regard to the future. You know this though as you've been in the thick of these arguments of many months. The criticism is biased as it ignores the...
  8. J

    OT: What next for Harry?

    But that is very different to the accusation that he wanted to fill the team with older players. It's a totally biased argument and relies on quoting Redknapp when he talks about older players he wanted to sign and totally ignore that times he spoke about us missing out on younger players. It's...
  9. J

    OT: What next for Harry?

    Things like Redknapp wanted to fill the team with old players or that he didn't do tactics.
  10. J

    OT: What next for Harry?

    I don't think there is. I think the bias is heavily on the the anti Harry side. If you look at their arguments they are without any foundation and often totally dumb. It's rare you see those who defend Harry do so by using baseless opinions to support their argument. I think the main gripe those...
  11. J

    Who is the best Spurs manager/coach of the Premier League era?

    So if a certain area goes badly under one manager and you blame him for it, but then the same things happens under another manager, it wouldn't at least make you question your own original opinion as to what the source of the problem was? Or would you be just as sure you knew the manager was to...
  12. J

    Who is the best Spurs manager/coach of the Premier League era?

    But would it at least not make you question your opinion on how you judge managers in the first place and thus possibly lead you to review your opinion of Redknapp. After all AVB has had major success in the past. If he fails at Spurs, then you'll naturally look for reasons why and in doing so...
  13. J

    Who is the best Spurs manager/coach of the Premier League era?

    I mainly talking about a specific group of posters. I should have been more clear. I'm sure not all Redknapp bashers were in favour of AVB. I think posters should look at how things develop and then revise opinions accordingly. Managers should be judged comparatively, rather than against...
  14. J

    Who is the best Spurs manager/coach of the Premier League era?

    People like to be right. On forums they post opinions. Fans on forums never back down. Many fans didn't like Redknapp or think he was good enough for SPurs. By proving them so wrong, they resent him. They will deny it, but there are good number of Spurs "fans" on message boards that would rather...
  15. J

    Who is the best Spurs manager/coach of the Premier League era?

    Lampard and Ferdinand were 19/20 in the season Wham finished 5th. They were nowhere near the players they developed into.
  16. J

    Who is the best Spurs manager/coach of the Premier League era?

    I really don't understand why so many people seem so determined to downplay or diminish Redknapps achievements. Surely his time in charge made Spurs fans happier than at any time in the last 20 years. We played brilliant exciting football, saw great players playing to their best and had our...
  17. J

    Who is the best Spurs manager/coach of the Premier League era?

    Not relevant to this thread per se, but I just want to point out what a fantastic job Jol did at HSV. Things didn't go at well for him in his second season at Ajax and this has tainted his reputation, but people aren't fully aware of the job he did at HSV. He gave them their highest points total...
  18. J

    Who is the best Spurs manager/coach of the Premier League era?

    The highlighted part is to me is the key way in which managers should be judged, as they don't all have the same opportunities in terms of finances and general lure of the clubs. I think this is the big issue and where I firmly believe our fans and board have got in majorly wrong. I think it was...
  19. J

    Who is the best Spurs manager/coach of the Premier League era?

    But Jol has said himself that he was aware they were trying to replace him int he summer. The Ramos thing really wasn't a knee jerk reaction to losing 2 games. It's not as if Jol could have become a bad manager over night. The decision that Jol wasn't good enough had clearly been already made...
  20. J

    Who is the best Spurs manager/coach of the Premier League era?

    I'd use this same argument to say that our managers, Jol and Harry, were every bit as good, or better, than those of the clubs that finished above us. Yet I think the majority of our fans in both the cases of Harry and Jol thought it was them who were holding us back and often came out with the...
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