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Djed Spence

MartyFunkhouser said:
People were saying things well before Djed had even kicked a ball with us though. "there must be a reason, it must be his attitude" under Conte was a regular call on here.

Without going through the history of the whole sport, I am sure there have been plenty of players in the world who have ignored their manager after a bad loss, especially a manager 2/3 of the support base absolutely hated so probably speaks more about what was happening in the club at the time, esp as a second player did the exact same thing at the same time
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And those players who are disrespectful are frequently called out on it, it’s not a black, religious problem but an easy take on it.

Granit Xhaka, Hossam Ghaly, Spence etc have all rightly been called out for it for a discussion. So let’s not make a minority perception / motivations to be what the majority of decent people think, without twisting it into something else.

I’m sure the majority on this board of not all are not discussing Spence based on his race or religion but his perceived attitude as a person/individual.
 
I really like Spence because of his “attitude”
He always seems focussed to me
Reminds me of Benoit when he was here
Yes he is a black player
We also found out his a Muslim
None of them matter to me personally
I judge him on his effort which demonstrates his attitude… and imo he is rarely lacking on that front
I don’t like his shirt number on his face support thing. That looks odd to me.
Also he sometimes wears odd boots… again, not the best look
But him not smiling all the time, I see that as focus. Maybe I’m wrong
 
Gazza said:
And those players who are disrespectful are frequently called out on it, it’s not a black, religious problem but an easy take on it.

Granit Xhaka, Hossam Ghaly, Spence etc have all rightly been called out for it for a discussion. So let’s not make a minority perception / motivations to be what the majority of decent people think, without twisting it into something else.

I’m sure the majority on this board of not all are not discussing Spence based on his race or religion but his perceived attitude as a person/individual.
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I never mentioned his race or religion, I haven't because you can't be sure it is, I will leave that to you and others to debate. There is no doubt Djed gets more focus than others, why that is I will again let you and others debate
 
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Gazza said:
But in the same token you cannot expect people to take to him like Harry Kane, Som etc.#
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And thats fine, but people don't go round questioning the atitidue of everyone that isn't them two players, there is a difference

Gazza said:
As abhorrent as Joey Barton is he too is entitled to his dim views, it’s about freedom of speech and accountability.
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Its not Joey Bartons views that are his issue.............
 
If you want to take an example out of football. Look at Jofra Archer and Ben Ducketts criticisms. Ones seen as quiet and reserved. The other is seen as having an attitude.

Try and guess who gets which pass.
 
LutonSpurs said:
If you want to take an example out of football. Look at Jofra Archer and Ben Ducketts criticisms. Ones seen as quiet and reserved. The other is seen as having an attitude.

Try and guess who gets which pass.
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I compare Archer with Curran differing personalities but both over rated and bowl too many 4 balls an over, they both have a reputation built on getting wickets in hit and run cricket.
 
Gazza said:
Which is his prerogative and like I said he doesn’t need to apologise for it whatsoever. He is who he is and is allowed to express himself any which he pleases. But in the same token you cannot expect people to take to him like Harry Kane, Som etc.

As abhorrent as Joey Barton is he too is entitled to his dim views, it’s about freedom of speech and accountability. If people don’t take to Djed spence due to his personality then it is what it is … you are not going to be liked by everyone all the time.

I just wish he applies himself better on the pitch because no one is doubting his potential and skill set.
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Applies himself better in what way?
 
Finney Is Back said:
Applies himself better in what way?
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By letting his performances on the pitch direct the narrative rather than getting into petty spats with a respected man in Neil Warnock who only offered him some solid advice having worked with many a player.

He has all the attributes to be a good player but his application on the pitch has not really been proven to merry up with his physical skill set.

I’m not dogging him out, I think he’s got it in him to get to a very very high level
 
Not someone that has questioned Spence's attitude but I don't like the way some all so easily come to the conclusion certain posters have said this because of the colour of his skin.

Before he joined our club there were concerns because Neil Warnock had called out his attitude. There was also an article recently I read from a player whose name escapes me who was on loan at Nottingham Forest when Spence was there and said he got away with a lot in training, because he would do the business on a match day. And has been pointed out there have been a couple of incidents he's been involved in that were not a good look for him.

Personally I haven't seen any real attitude problems on the pitch, he's just a more laid back character which can look 'cool' when you're performing well but when you're having a poor game or run of form it doesn't help to be that way inclined.

Anyway, hopefully he builds on his solid cameo against Mexico and is trusted to get a starting spot for the Norway game....
 
I really do not care what colour he is or what GHod he believes in and anyone who does needs to give their head a shake IMO. I just think his attitude is not the best and that is why i have spoken about him.

I have also said he has talent their is no doubt about that.
 
Gazza said:
No but let’s make everything about race and sky fairies and play victim.
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Not everyone is getting involved in that line of enquiry, some are keen to explore the reasoning behind the pile on that seems to continue.

Personally I think the whole thing is built on some fairly fluffy reasoning TBH. His attitude being questioned comes down to:

- A spat with Warnock, which from memory was one way, so not sure its a spat
- Not shaking Franks hand when the majority of this forum thought Frank was a tw4t and also MVDV didn't either
- Being a fake roadman

People jumped on the bloke when he first joined with the narrative being "he is a club buy" which then turned into "he is trouble clearly behind the scenes"

*Edit - Just searched and some of the tripe about him written makes you laugh when you go 10 pages deep of it

*2nd Edit - only comments I can see from Djed about Warnock are below and TBF he is fair and again TBH it makes sense

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Edit 3 - Going by the comments by Leeds in public, there is no issue, I know people used that as an excuse, but they said otherwise.

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In conclusion and I think the last of it from me (I promise) people have decided that he has an attitude problem for a few moments like the handshake, his personality which doesn't gel with their own ............. and just because.

Personally as a Spurs fan I am delighted in the turnaround and the fact he is in the England fold, it represents something positive for the club that should be celebrated, not torn down
 
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MartyFunkhouser said:
Not everyone is getting involved in that line of enquiry, some are keen to explore the reasoning behind the pile on that seems to continue.

Personally I think the whole thing is built on some fairly fluffy reasoning TBH. His attitude being questioned comes down to:

- A spat with Warnock, which from memory was one way, so not sure its a spat
- Not shaking Franks hand when the majority of this forum thought Frank was a tw4t and also MVDV didn't either
- Being a fake roadman

People jumped on the bloke when he first joined with the narrative being "he is a club buy" which then turned into "he is trouble clearly behind the scenes"

*Edit - Just searched and some of the tripe about him written makes you laugh when you go 10 pages deep of it

*2nd Edit - only comments I can see from Djed about Warnock are below and TBF he is fair and again TBH it makes sense

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Edit 3 - Going by the comments by Leeds in public, there is no issue, I know people used that as an excuse, but they said otherwise.

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In conclusion and I think the last of it from me (I promise) people have decided that he has an attitude problem for a few moments like the handshake, his personality which doesn't gel with their own ............. and just because.

Personally as a Spurs fan I am delighted in the turnaround and the fact he is in the England fold, it represents something positive for the club that should be celebrated, not torn down
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Fair enough but you can read some other posts bringing his race and religion into it when people are having to defend their critique and opinions of him without that even being the case.
 
Gazza said:
Fair enough but you can read some other posts bringing his race and religion into it when people are having to defend their critique and opinions of him without that even being the case.
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Course and thats why I wanted to bring it back round to things other than that and understand what it is people see in his attitude that makes them think he is bad. On that only you have given more elaboration on the reasoning, I don't agree with it but you tried. Everyone else seems to have a strong judgement based on "just because" kinda justification
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Course and thats why I wanted to bring it back round to things other than that and understand what it is people see in his attitude that makes them think he is bad. On that only you have given more elaboration on the reasoning, I don't agree with it but you tried. Everyone else seems to have a strong judgement based on "just because" kinda justification
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See I disagree, many posts highlight why people are a little indifferent to him questioning his playing abilities tied into his perceived persona through various outlets. I don’t think I’ve read one that even hints at him being black or Muslim.

Spurs have had loads of great black players or Muslims players. It’s never been an issue since I’ve been going to the lane.

It’s almost like Sol Campbell syndrome … he still thinks he gets treated poorly by spurs fans because he is black. He just can’t see the reasoning why a player that was much loved , a home grown dominant player, regardless of his colour decided to go on a free to the scum, especially telling us all about his love for spurs.

I don’t think people care what skin tone the player is, or whether he decides to run laps around a black stone or believes marrying a child is the best example to man kind, or believing that only going through Jesus will get you to heaven … I mean poor sods that came before him etc etc etc

The only thing I’m getting is people are questioning his personality married up to him fulfilling his potential. People want him to be elite and so far he isn’t showing that, when his physical attributes suggest he may well be.
 
Gazza said:
See I disagree, many posts highlight why people are a little indifferent to him questioning his playing abilities tied into his perceived persona through various outlets. I don’t think I’ve read one that even hints at him being black or Muslim.

Spurs have had loads of great black players or Muslims players. It’s never been an issue since I’ve been going to the lane.

It’s almost like Sol Campbell syndrome … he still thinks he gets treated poorly by spurs fans because he is black. He just can’t see the reasoning why a player that was much loved , a home grown dominant player, regardless of his colour decided to go on a free to the scum, especially telling us all about his love for spurs.

I don’t think people care what skin tone the player is, or whether he decides to run laps around a black stone or believes marrying a child is the best example to man kind, or believing that only going through Jesus will get you to heaven … I mean poor sods that came before him etc etc etc

The only thing I’m getting is people are questioning his personality married up to him fulfilling his potential. People want him to be elite and so far he isn’t showing that, when his physical attributes suggest he may well be.
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But again, I have not mentioned his skin colour or race. So to be honest mate, 80% of what you written has no bearing on my post or my reckoning. I am keeping away from it

This is about his perceived attitude only and again I don't think I have seen any real coherent proof on why his attitude is a problem despite there being 10+ pages on here about it. The closest we got is people not liking his personality because it is different to theirs and the lack of handshake.

I am open massively to the idea he has a bad attitude, if someone can provide anything to support it???
 
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