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Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

thfcsteff said:
We'll never know because the club stayed silent, save for one middling interview with Lange, who has the charisma of a cod.

BTW, I am not talking about 'stopping speculation' I am talking about standing behind a teammate regardless of whether their performance has been poor for a spell or not. If you're not prepared to do that then you move them on. Keeping them and watching them flounder like a fish out of water seems like a weird plaice to go (apologies, I got carried away on fish puns...I'll roe them back now)...
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Munn doing an interview is a bit of a red herring (will stop the codding). I'd say Ange would be way more interested and concerned about what is being said to him behind closed doors than some staged interview being put on by Munn or whoever else.
 
thfcsteff said:
Truthfully, the closest I think we've seen to our situation is Ten Haag and Man Utd. Perhaps Arsenal and how they used their All Or Nothing spot to advertise what the club was doing amidst tough runs for Arteta in terms of fan base and abuse towards ownership. That was pretty masterful, and between Kroenke Jr and Edu, they did a good job supporting the project they have with him versus not making it look like a salvage job. Here's a clip starring the man we have now hired also showing how his worth could well be enjoyed by us in the future...
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What did you think of our all or nothing?

Did it change your view on Jose at all?
 
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DubSpur said:
Munn doing an interview is a bit of a red herring (will stop the codding). I'd say Ange would be way more interested and concerned about what is being said to him behind closed doors than some staged interview being put on by Munn or whoever else.
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If anything the club put out in the media is in any way true. or gives any insight into how the business is run, someone isn’t doing their job properly.
 
DubSpur said:
Munn doing an interview is a bit of a red herring (will stop the codding). I'd say Ange would be way more interested and concerned about what is being said to him behind closed doors than some staged interview being put on by Munn or whoever else.
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My point has nothing to do with making Ange feel better or not. It's to do with leaving people isolated on perches (ouch!!!🤪)
 
Gazza said:
Not being ignorant but what do you expect that will happen? We are in a perpetual cycle of more of the same in varying degrees.

Until our owners change or change their ways of operation, the direction from the top will dictate exactly what happens. We may get lucky but the usual story is going to perpetuate itself. Played out again with different characters.
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So here's what I think is happening.

From 2010, Spurs went through a tough decade that culminated in the eventual go-live of the stadium. However, we went straight into COVID and that delayed our plans by about 2 years. Perhaps the problem was that in the midst of all that chaos were 3 or 4 fantastic years under Poch. The club couldn't sustain that level of on-pitch performance because of the financial model. We then spun into a 5 year cycle after it and made some bad choices. Either way we find ourselves where we are today.

We are no longer in that place where if we make an Ndombele level signing and they fail then we can't recover well. We're also in a place whereby if we make a poor judgment call on the 1st team manager then we take a long time to recover. We won't as the foundations are too strong at our club. Our squad is actually really good and will keep improving from this point. The financial muscle is there. We also have a new leadership team in place on the football operations side and I don't buy into any of this rubbish that they are to blame for Ange's failings. They have equipped him with all of the right tools to perform in his role. They absolutely will as well for the next guy.

What we need most is a new manager who will optimise the squad potential. It is operating way beneath it's ability.
 
Muttley said:
Our squad is actually really good and will keep improving from this point. The financial muscle is there. We also have a new leadership team in place on the football operations side and I don't buy into any of this rubbish that they are to blame for Ange's failings. They have equipped him with all of the right tools to perform in his role. They absolutely will as well for the next guy.

What we need most is a new manager who will optimise the squad potential. It is operating way beneath it's ability.
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Agreed. Ange is not the project. The project will probably change manager every 2 years, but we will keep moving forwards every 2 years with better squads, more experience, better financials etc.

We've taken a financial hit this year because Ange doesn't like to have an organised defence, but outside of that, we have all the tools to keep walking forwards.

I believe we will identify a manager that has done very well for a few seasons in one of the top leagues, and give him a try. If it works out, great. If not, we'll try the next one on the conveyor belt of talent.
 
"Tottenham supporters have had some real near misses for a long time, so there's always this safeguard of not getting too excited about what's happening, but part of creating a winning culture is not to fall into that trap," he said.

"Winners don't think about things in that way. They don't think about what could possibly go wrong. They have a real clarity around what they need to do to win and I'm trying to create that with this group of players.

"If you expect something to go wrong, it will. So you try to rail against that, but how you do that is just a clear-eyed focus on what's important."
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Once again, absolutely spot on. I’ve said before how fudging much I hate the sexy and Dr Tottenham brick. I hate all “woe is me” nonsense. It’s just designed as a way to make you feel better when you inevitably fail, because you don’t have any confidence in your ability to succeed.
 
SteveAWOL said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Ange Postecoglou bemoans 'negative narrative' around Spurs

Tottenham Hotspur manager Ange Postecoglou bemoans the "negative narrative" around the club despite their success in the Europa League.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

https://twitter.com/x/status/1918419236906532959
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Timely, Ange with this week's narrative. Who would have thunk it.

"It's not a culture OF the club, it's a culture AROUND the club"

I blame the stone cutters for saying OF and not AROUND. They'll never split the stone keep using the work "OF". Perhaps after a hundred times, they'll all change to "AROUND"

Can't wait for next week's nugget. These narratives surely all come out of THFC Xmas crackers right? Unless Ange is using AI to generate them.
 
SteveAWOL said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Ange Postecoglou bemoans 'negative narrative' around Spurs

Tottenham Hotspur manager Ange Postecoglou bemoans the "negative narrative" around the club despite their success in the Europa League.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

https://twitter.com/x/status/1918419236906532959
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Levy came in and caught me managing badly, barely out the bottom four....

....It wasn't me.....

We conceded loads of goals from corner, which is really poor....

....it wasn't me....

I left the back door wide open for the opposition to score....

....it wasn't me ....

I had fights with the supporters, coz I thought they disrespected me..

......it wasn't me....
 
Spot on Ange. If Tottenham does something, there has been this expectation of things to go wrong. That predates Ange. Even in Pochettino's time, we thought we were coming out of that. Then the sexy labels started. To the point that ignorants claim that Spurs have never won trophies. We are too easy a target for commentators and media practitioners to make negative news. Remember when we were being linked with every player some decades back despite the club not chasing some of those players.
 
thfcsteff said:
After the season we've had, after the noise and continual waves of BS which have crashed against our bough, I find it interesting that no-one has considered the fact that Postecoglu probably does not want to stay here much longer. In fact, I think the whole farce is an increasingly poor statement on how we operate. I'd have much more respect for the club in this regard had they bothered to stage ANY sort of protective mechanism/closed ranks around Postecoglu when the brick was really hitting the fan in January. Instead they continued to leave him out there taking the beating, occasionally dribbling a 'it looks like there is no move to replace him' via some such media source.

Even for the many here who don't like him, I ask the following question. Would it really have done the club/us any more harm to have had Munn give a statement saying something to the effect of, "Nobody is satisfied with the results or league positionm least of all Ange and the players, there are significant factors such as injuries, there are several areas of the club which we are reviewing, but we must all back both Ange and the club at this time. Considerations can be taken at the end of the season, until then it is vital that everyone at the club and it's supporters, continue to stay together and focussed."
Or something like that?
I don't think so.
I'll take a wild guess here that Levy is relieved Ange has been the hate punching bag more than him this season, albeit that was in the balance around January, when a statement such as the above would've certainly alleviated some of the pressure building on the manager...

...in the end, this is all a bit like those movies where you see the ending and spend the next 120 minutes getting to how it happened. I feel certain he won't be here, the question is how we got here in the first place...
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You wanted the club to give him the infamous “vote of confidence”?

The Club has backed Ange more than they should have in my opinion.

The fact that he was under pressure is of his own making.

There is an argument that more than the Manager should be talking to the press, but that should be part of an overall forward thinking media strategy. Not just to take some pressure of a manager who has quite frankly shít the bed.
 
tommysvr said:
Once again, absolutely spot on. I’ve said before how fudging much I hate the sexy and Dr Tottenham brick. I hate all “woe is me” nonsense. It’s just designed as a way to make you feel better when you inevitably fail, because you don’t have any confidence in your ability to succeed.
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I agree, but regardless of how I think about it, I feel it twitching in me like a bad addiction every time we fudge up or look to do so. It’s what the psychologists would call «learned helplessness», I think. I’ve said it before, but I’ll say it again: our club is suffering from a collective depression. The best way out of that is for the team to start performing, hopefully we’ll start by winning this cup. Then, we need to build on that, get a mental coach in (like the fighter pilot Bodø got in that turned everything around) - really build a new culture around what Ange just said there. Belief going into every game. We’re too much of an easy target for the media and our own fans now. The best way to start turning that around is by winning this trophy - which of course we can fudging do.
 
tommysvr said:
Once again, absolutely spot on. I’ve said before how fudging much I hate the sexy and Dr Tottenham brick. I hate all “woe is me” nonsense. It’s just designed as a way to make you feel better when you inevitably fail, because you don’t have any confidence in your ability to succeed.
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I agree with this but at the same time reflecting on Thursday night we put ourselves in a position to bury the tie there and then but instead we allowed Bodo a possibility of recovering. That’s not the fault of the media or the fans. It’s down to low standards on and off the pitch.
 
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