Politics, politics, politics

[glasgowspur]

The EU deliberately sabotaged the Yes vote in Scotland in 2014

They intervened by declaring Scotland wouldn't automatically continue part of the UK's membership, and would instead have to start a new application process - which would take years and require joining the Eurozone and Schengen

WALOB
The Indy vote didn't lose because of EU interferance, they lost because they couldn't put forward a creditable plan.

 

[glasgowspur]

Mate that is a bit of a diatribe to a simple esoteric question. I barely know what the SNP is let alone have read any of their policy papers. I don't really want to get into a debate on one side of an obviously complicated and emotional question for you which I know nothing about, so I won't. I'll google it instead.

Well you started.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Exactly.
Can't be long before ETA wake back up. Maybe in a more political way side by side with Catalonia rather than terrorism.

Add to that the Brexit Ireland situation.

Conditions seem ripe for something not great upcoming. Hope I'm very wrong.

Independence for Catalonia, Flanders, Scotland and a reunited Ireland. Homelands for the Kurds and Palestinians would be nice too. A few imperialist feathers clipped along the way. National self-determination is a cornerstone of democracy and civilisation. It's all good.

 

[Gutter Boy]

WALOB
The Indy vote didn't lose because of EU interferance, they lost because they couldn't put forward a creditable plan.

If the EU had hitched its skirt and said it would welcome an independent Scotland, I think that would have dispelled more of Westminster's Project Fear and perhaps tipped the scales enough

 

[Rorschach]

Well you started.

Started what? I asked you a simple question which ceeded to your knowledge on things Scottish but got an earful of politics.

 

[the dza]

Started what? I asked you a simple question which ceeded to your knowledge on things Scottish but got an earful of politics.

You are in the right thread! It's one of glory-glory's finest.

 

[r-u-s-x]

Perishables can get here from Africa or Asia as quickly as they can parts of Europe. The logistics problem with food was sorted a long time ago.

Standards on any product should be a consumer choice.

Consumers are voters, if they wanted a completely free market then vote in a government who offer this.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

They're not even allowed in my house.

What about the garden, you know at Barbecues in the summer.

 

[glasgowspur]

Independence for Catalonia, Flanders, Scotland and a reunited Ireland. Homelands for the Kurds and Palestinians would be nice too. A few imperialist feathers clipped along the way. National self-determination is a cornerstone of democracy and civilisation. It's all good.

By the sound of things you know about as about Scotland as I know about the others you mentioned, fudge all.
In case you didn't notice, we had democratic vote about independence and didn't want it.
But hey that doesn't suit GBs agenda so let's have another one.
A bit hypocritical to tell someone to shake off the shackles of being told what to do only to do what you want.

 

[jamonserrano]

 

[Rorschach]

You are in the right thread! It's one of glory-glory's finest.

Good point. What did I expect really

 

[glasgowspur]

Started what? I asked you a simple question which ceeded to your knowledge on things Scottish but got an earful of politics.

Well you asked a question and I answered it.
It was supposed to be light hearted response to something that thought was maybe going in the wrong direction.
It is tiresome listening to the world telling us what to do and how we were conned out if independence.
Along with complete misrepresentation of the facts and the general consensus from people sitting on the side lines with nothing to lose.

 

[Rorschach]

Well you asked a question and I answered it.
It was supposed to be light hearted response to something that thought was maybe going in the wrong direction.
It is tiresome listening to the world telling us what to do and how we were conned out if independence.
Along with complete misrepresentation of the facts and the general consensus from people sitting on the side lines with nothing to lose.

You didn't answer my question. You answered your own, but whatever. I'm done with this.

 

[scaramanga]

Consumers are voters, if they wanted a completely free market then vote in a government who offer this.

You know as well as I do, elections contain far more than one or two market issues. Most fudgewits vote on tribal lines and don't even begin to understand the workings of markets.

Think about it this way. If markets were free and sales of battery farmed hens existed, then if people didn't want them they wouldn't buy them. So there would be no point in producing them that way anyway. But we both know that if those markets existed, many people would value cheap food over hens that get a cuddle every day.

 

[scaramanga]

What about the garden, you know at Barbecues in the summer.

I don't eat people, so there's no point in there being a vegetarian at one of my barbeques (which are legendary, BTW. It's really important to eat early at them because I drink a lot when I cook barbeques, so pretty much everything after the first batch is fudged).

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

You know as well as I do, elections contain far more than one or two market issues. Most fudgewits vote on tribal lines and don't even begin to understand the workings of markets.

Think about it this way. If markets were free and sales of battery farmed hens existed, then if people didn't want them they wouldn't buy them. So there would be no point in producing them that way anyway. But we both know that if those markets existed, many people would value cheap food over hens that get a cuddle every day.

Is kind of why people shop at tesco and not the Waitrose. It all comes down to money.

Sometimes we buy organic free range stuff but the thing that rules the way with me is convenience. I buy whatever is available and easiest to get to. I like to pretend I have morals and sometimes I do but I usually go with whatever is easiest for me. A lot of people go with what is cheapest, nothing wrong in it.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

I don't eat people, so there's no point in there being a vegetarian at one of my barbeques (which are legendary, BTW. It's really important to eat early at them because I drink a lot when I cook barbeques, so pretty much everything after the first batch is fudged).

Why are they? are the midgets wrestling in custard.

 

[r-u-s-x]

You know as well as I do, elections contain far more than one or two market issues. Most fudgewits vote on tribal lines and don't even begin to understand the workings of markets.

Think about it this way. If markets were free and sales of battery farmed hens existed, then if people didn't want them they wouldn't buy them. So there would be no point in producing them that way anyway. But we both know that if those markets existed, many people would value cheap food over hens that get a cuddle every day.

You know as well as I do that if there was a real desire for completely free market economics a party would be pushing this agenda and it would be the major policy point.

Markets are not free as the consumers have voted successive governments who do not believe in this philosophy.

 

[r-u-s-x]

Is kind of why people shop at tesco and not the Waitrose. It all comes down to money.

Sometimes we buy organic free range stuff but the thing that rules the way with me is convenience. I buy whatever is available and easiest to get to. I like to pretend I have morals and sometimes I do but I usually go with whatever is easiest for me. A lot of people go with what is cheapest, nothing wrong in it.

I shop with Amazon, I know I do not agree with the way they treat their tax affairs and staff. I vote Labour to stop these practises, I see the contradiction but not cutting my nose off to spite my face as me stopping shopping there will have no effect. There are many reasons why consumers may act in contradiction to thier wants / beliefs - I do not subscribe to market knows best very often externalities are not fully incorporated into the cost.

 

[Rorschach]

I don't eat people, so there's no point in there being a vegetarian at one of my barbeques (which are legendary, BTW. It's really important to eat early at them because I drink a lot when I cook barbeques, so pretty much everything after the first batch is fudged).

Always nice to hear.

So why are they legendary? Food or frolics?