It's good for trade if you want to be competitive. It's bad for trade if you want to prop up over-priced, inefficient industry.
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StephenH
David Ginola
Bottom line. It all hinges on the cost of leaving on the UK economy and more importantly the people. But no one knows......
I can see good things to coming out, but with no idea of the bill/costs. How can we decide?
But we did!
Crazy or what?
I did do a little run through of the effects on exports to the EU last night - might be back a page or so.
Poor old Mrs. May having to stand outside no. 10 again after yet another tragedy. Brexit coming up where x-amount of people are gonna be p1ssed off no matter what happens -- I swear the Tories have left the poor cow in charge as a punishment, nobody wants the job.
And thanks to those of you who tried to answer my Brexit question. Wake me up when it's over will you, as long as I've still got a job that gives me enough to live on, I don't care if my neighbour's Polish. Infact I work with a Romanian and a Lithuanian, both girls with nice arses -- if we can have an arse based immigration policy, I think everyone will be happy.
And thanks to those of you who tried to answer my Brexit question. Wake me up when it's over will you, as long as I've still got a job that gives me enough to live on, I don't care if my neighbour's Polish. Infact I work with a Romanian and a Lithuanian, both girls with nice arses -- if we can have an arse based immigration policy, I think everyone will be happy.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
To give it some relativity, even the worst case bill (£70b) was about the same amount as Corbyn was going to spend on tuition fees. I don't think that's especially a big issue.
Northern Ireland and financial services are going to be the hardest to things to square. But as one is 3% of the population and the other 7% of the economy, I think they are tails waging the dog in terms of where our priorities should be.
Deciding to go in in the first place was a mis-sell in a moment of economic weakness. It also morphed massively from an economic union to a political one in 1992, which no one ever agreed to. So staying in shouldn't really be seen as an evitable/natural thing before the referendum. We were a sovereign country for 1000 years prior to 1992.
Can we just have a "no fatties" immigration and emigration combined policy?
Send all the chubsters off to Spain or somewhere and bring in all the hot european girls. Perfect policy, I think you'll all agree.
Financial services will be fairly easy too, my calculations have about £3bn left over from our contributions each year. I can think of quite a few EU countries that would take £3bn a year to brassplate all of our financial companies into the EU.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Most civilised leavers see the immigration issue a bit differently (to the UKIP meat heads). It's never about the individuals, it’s the industry that drives it.
The current system favours solely big business. They can import the sweatshop, undercutting wages and conditions, while disrupting local communities because of the large scale transience.
A work permit system would allow us to bring in exactly the skills we need in a strategic way. It would also end the current discrimination by nationality. Try now bringing over an Australia or an Algerian spouse, an Indian chef, a Chinese academic or a Venezuelan wonderkid from the U20s world cup - no chance.
Controlled immigration based solely on skills or personal relations would be far better for everyone than the current open door from the EU way; except for big business, who will have to invest in developing local skills and paying decent wages instead.
We also need to slowly shrink our population, rather than propagating the current Ponzi scheme. The natural population is shrinking (as in all developed countries with female emancipation), so immigration should still be within the parameters of no net gain/small net decrease in population.
StephenH
David Ginola
Nearer £10b I believe! £9.5bn The Times quoted for the Labour's tuition fees!
£70b is anyway you paint it a silly price to pay IMHO.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
That's per year. The pledge was to backdate it to 2012.
There's no point having a bribe for those not old enough to vote - it was primarily something for all early twentysomethings
StephenH
David Ginola
Backdated not sure?
But two wrongs dont make a right.........
Brexit 'may' one day, when we on here are all long gone, be deemed worth while. But your 'guess' is as good as mine, but is still just that, a guess!
I dont like giving over a blank cheque on a 'guess'.
But this is pointless subject as it's based on everybodys best guess.
I dont give a stuff about leaving or staying. But dont like wasting money!
Grays_1890
Colin Calderwood
My mates on the ground there, said death toll is well over 200
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
£70b, but we save £18b per year (our net contribution), so that pays back in 4 years.
Corbyn's phrase on clearing historic student debt was 'ameliorate'. I had to look it up because I'd never heard it before, but that's what the 2012-17 intake students were voting for.
StephenH
David Ginola
We will know the real figures when its too late as normal. We will save £18b per year.........what could go wrong......
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...b0d5ab311e9688#block-59480efae4b0d5ab311e9688
Farron claims Davis has been 'utterly humiliated' after talks sequencing climbdown
Tim Farron, the Lib Dem leader, claims David Davis has been “humiliated”. In a statement Farron said:
David Davis said the row of the summer would be over the sequencing of Brexit talks, and one day in he has capitulated.
The man is a joker. Despite the government’s posturing, the EU was clear today it has not made a single concession to David Davis. He has been utterly humiliated.
Say what you mean, Tim! (except when it comes to gay people, obviously).
Farron claims Davis has been 'utterly humiliated' after talks sequencing climbdown
Tim Farron, the Lib Dem leader, claims David Davis has been “humiliated”. In a statement Farron said:
David Davis said the row of the summer would be over the sequencing of Brexit talks, and one day in he has capitulated.
The man is a joker. Despite the government’s posturing, the EU was clear today it has not made a single concession to David Davis. He has been utterly humiliated.
Say what you mean, Tim! (except when it comes to gay people, obviously).
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
This compromise was made months ago.
The EU said no trade talks until the exit was finalised (i.e. May 2019), the UK said both the exit and the FTA at the same time, and the compromise was FTA starts in October 2017 after three of the smaller but technically complicated things (ex-pats, final bill and NI) have been generally sorted.
Farron is just on about old news.
The EU said no trade talks until the exit was finalised (i.e. May 2019), the UK said both the exit and the FTA at the same time, and the compromise was FTA starts in October 2017 after three of the smaller but technically complicated things (ex-pats, final bill and NI) have been generally sorted.
Farron is just on about old news.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
He shows that the are still many people in the Christian faith with an outdated view of homosexuality and I find it as bad as when the Muslims refuse to accept Homosexuals right to live the life they deserve.
Hotshot-Tottenham
Dean Richards
So the final bill is a small thing now? I wonder why we're even quibbling about it.
There are plenty of lawyers arguing that it should be a small thing. Could even be zero, depending on how the law is interpreted.