Politics, politics, politics

[Danishfurniturelover]

But,but,but we are doomed i tell thee doomed.

We can all play tit for tat.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36864273

It's not all good. It's not all bad. Like most things, the truth is probably somewhere in between.

People are allowed to differ.[/QUOTE]

sure they are then when we have a vote people should also except the majority decision as I have had to on countless occasions when we have had governments elected that I have hated. But to continue to talk down and actively try to harm the countries prospects by spooking the markets is a disgrace that so many on the remain side have indulged in.

On other news Hollande has said that the border controls will stay in Calais, odd because part of project fear was that we would have to have them in the UK, but the French president has just confirmed they will be staying in France, we could call that a lie by the remain side I guess, or perhaps they would rather go on about what some bloke wrote on the side of a bus?

Why anyone would want to be part of a club that stops you from agreeing your own trade deals with say for example Kenya is beyond me, what has it to do with the EU if Britain does a trade agreement with another country not in the EU. Can you not see the EU are just gangsters and bullies, this is not the sort of club I would ever want to be a part of, but then seeing how so many of my fellow countrymen have behaved since the result, I am not sure I want to raise my son in such a backward looking nation.

 

[the dza]

Hollande also said that there can be no deal where Britain gets access to the single market without having free movement of people. I know some people have no problem with that, but I suspect many who voted to leave thought that they were also voting to end free movement.

 

[Hotshot-Tottenham]

sure they are then when we have a vote people should also except the majority decision as I have had to on countless occasions when we have had governments elected that I have hated. But to continue to talk down and actively try to harm the countries prospects by spooking the markets is a disgrace that so many on the remain side have indulged in.

On other news Hollande has said that the border controls will stay in Calais, odd because part of project fear was that we would have to have them in the UK, but the French president has just confirmed they will be staying in France, we could call that a lie by the remain side I guess, or perhaps they would rather go on about what some bloke wrote on the side of a bus?

Why anyone would want to be part of a club that stops you from agreeing your own trade deals with say for example Kenya is beyond me, what has it to do with the EU if Britain does a trade agreement with another country not in the EU. Can you not see the EU are just gangsters and bullies, this is not the sort of club I would ever want to be a part of, but then seeing how so many of my fellow countrymen have behaved since the result, I am not sure I want to raise my son in such a backward looking nation.

The result is accepted. The only one still banging on about that is you. Tangentially, the comparison between accepting the result of a GE versus that of a referendum doesn't hold water.

The link posted doesn't talk anything down. It simply reports a drop in output.

Regarding Calais, the mayor (iirc) came out directly after the result saying he wanted to change the border control and move it our shore. Surely it's fair enough to report that, as it stood at the time? The fact that Hollande has said what he has is welcome.

All I said was that it's not black and white, from either viewpoint.

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[parklane1]

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We can all play tit for tat.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36864273

It's not all good. It's not all bad. Like most things, the truth is probably somewhere in between.

People are allowed to differ.[/QUOTE]


Do not disagree at all, but try telling that to all the doom mongers who are still convinced that we are finished. Danis has hit the tickle my balls with a feather with (But to continue to talk down and actively try to harm the countries prospects by spooking the markets is a disgrace that so many on the remain side have indulged in.)

 

[milo]

In other news despite the indy trying to bring up Brexit at every opportunity, Chinese decide to invest in Britain http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...tion-despite-brexit-uncertainty-a7148441.html

wait whaaaaaattttt I thought no one would touch these diseased racist little Island if we decided to trade with the world instead of a corrupt and failing form of government in the EU.

I don't remember anyone saying that all foreign investment into the UK would stop. Of course there will be deals. Picking out individual cases in either direction does not tell us a lot about the economy as a whole. What we need to watch is whether investment drops and whether the economy starts to contract. It looks like that is happening, hopefully it will not be too deep or too long.

 

[Hotshot-Tottenham]

I don't remember anyone saying that all foreign investment into the UK would stop. Of course there will be deals. Picking out individual cases in either direction does not tell us a lot about the economy as a whole. What we need to watch is whether investment drops and whether the economy starts to contract. It looks like that is happening, hopefully it will not be too deep or too long.

Yep, there will always be outliers.

It seems people (in the media) are trying measure this in weeks, rather than in years.

But that's as much a comment on the modern news cycle as it is the result.

 

[the dza]

We haven't actually left the single market yet. We'll know the consequences if/when we actually do.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

The result is accepted. The only one still banging on about that is you. Tangentially, the comparison between accepting the result of a GE versus that of a referendum doesn't hold water.

The link posted doesn't talk anything down. It simply reports a drop in output.

Regarding Calais, the mayor (iirc) came out directly after the result saying he wanted to change the border control and move it our shore. Surely it's fair enough to report that, as it stood at the time? The fact that Hollande has said what he has is welcome.

All I said was that it's not black and white, from either viewpoint.

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Edited to try to sort the quotation breaks.

Right ok, I will remember that, I will stop talking about the referendum and the EU if everyone else does

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

I don't remember anyone saying that all foreign investment into the UK would stop. Of course there will be deals. Picking out individual cases in either direction does not tell us a lot about the economy as a whole. What we need to watch is whether investment drops and whether the economy starts to contract. It looks like that is happening, hopefully it will not be too deep or too long.

It was the general tone of the debate, that if we voted to leave and once we did, that it was such a stupid decision by knuckle dragging racists that no country would invest in Britain because it would then be harder for us to trade with the Europeans. But you know what we will always have investment in this country whether we are part of a failing corrupt anti democratic gangster club.

Of course your right the true picture will only show itself years down the line, I am very confident if the Tory party actually follow through and give us an exit from the EU then we will actually see more investment. Multi national companies like stream lined countries, it is why the Americans like to invest here because we dont have 5 hour lunch breaks and 10 weeks holidays like the French.

I hate to tell you anti world small Islanders but the world is a big place and we will be fine in it, I actually expect a small recession next year, but then that was always going to happen because despite what that fat Scottish pension stealing pratt may tell you, the will never be an end to boom and bust, it is a normal cycle of an economy what you have to do is manage the come down so it is as gentle as possible. For example the could and should embark on a big motorway building exercise, I am sure the Chinese and Indians would love to big to build stuff in this country.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Hollande also said that there can be no deal where Britain gets access to the single market without having free movement of people. I know some people have no problem with that, but I suspect many who voted to leave thought that they were also voting to end free movement.

Well that remains to be seen whether we get full access to the EU market without freedom of movement, I think May will cave and do somewhere half way between the two.

Frankly freedom of movement is not a big deal to me, I dont want to sound c*cky but I have enough money to not personally be affected by that issue except for the fact I live in an over crowded south east and I think the are to many people here, I do not care whether they will born in this country or not or what language they speak in. If I were poor on in a low paid job it might effect me.

But can I ask you something here dza because you come across and sensible and intelligent. Why are the EU looking for a free trade agreement with America?

I think they are looking for free trade with America because fundamentally free trade is a good idea, so why if they want this with America why not with us. They sell more to us than we do to them, so it would be in their interest. It makes no sense for them to take the stance they except that they have a very backward introvert view of the world and are quite narrow minded and theirs is a political union about absolute control.

 

[milo]

It was the general tone of the debate, that if we voted to leave and once we did, that it was such a stupid decision by knuckle dragging racists that no country would invest in Britain because it would then be harder for us to trade with the Europeans. But you know what we will always have investment in this country whether we are part of a failing corrupt anti democratic gangster club.

Of course your right the true picture will only show itself years down the line, I am very confident if the Tory party actually follow through and give us an exit from the EU then we will actually see more investment. Multi national companies like cat video on youtube lined countries, it is why the Americans like to invest here because we dont have 5 hour lunch breaks and 10 weeks holidays like the French.

I hate to tell you anti world small Islanders but the world is a big place and we will be fine in it, I actually expect a small recession next year, but then that was always going to happen because despite what that fat Scottish pension stealing pratt may tell you, the will never be an end to boom and bust, it is a normal cycle of an economy what you have to do is manage the come down so it is as gentle as possible. For example the could and should embark on a big motorway building exercise, I am sure the Chinese and Indians would love to big to build stuff in this country.

I agree that the debate was poor from both sides but remain did not have a monopoly on scare stories, leave's scare stories about Turkey joining the EU, the impact of immigration and a European army were just as bad.

As to whether we were always due a recession next year, I think that is nonsense that you are telling yourself to try and justify a decision. The poor economic projections released for the UK today contrast with positive ones for Germany and France. You are right that there will always be boom and bust but we have not had the boom after the last bust yet. If we go into recession, it will be self inflicted.

 

[Hotshot-Tottenham]

Right ok, I will remember that, I will stop talking about the referendum and the EU if everyone else does

No-one's debating result itself or how it came to be. It's accepted.

It's the effect of leaving that's being discussed. It's moved on.

 

[milo]

No-one's debating result itself or how it came to be. It's accepted.

It's the effect of leaving that's being discussed. It's moved on.

And what leave means. A month after the result and that is still completely unclear.

 

[parklane1]

And what leave means. A month after the result and that is still completely unclear.

Without a doubt that is correct, but that is a improvement of so many who were sure that voting to leave was going to be a disaster.

 

[Hotshot-Tottenham]

And what leave means. A month after the result and that is still completely unclear.

Yes, it will be 2+ years (until article 50 is invoked and elapsed) until we have some, most or all of the plan. Then years again until we know what that plan has or hasn't achieved.

History will tell.

 

[scaramanga]

Hollande also said that there can be no deal where Britain gets access to the single market without having free movement of people. I know some people have no problem with that, but I suspect many who voted to leave thought that they were also voting to end free movement.

Then they were fools.

It was made very clear before the referendum that free trade required free movement and there isn't a government on this planet that would sign away free trade.

 

[milo]

Without a doubt that is correct, but that is a improvement of so many who were sure that voting to leave was going to be a disaster.

But we haven't left yet and are no closer to it that we were on 24th June. It looks likely that the uncertainty about our future is harming the economy and the government is caught between irreconcilable positions; a desire to control immigration and a desire to protect the economy.

 

[milo]

It was made very clear before the referendum that free trade required free movement and there isn't a government on this planet that would sign away free trade.

Has your position on this changed? I was sure that a few weeks ago you were saying that trade into the UK was so important to Europe that we would get a preferential deal.

 

[scaramanga]

Has your position on this changed? I was sure that a few weeks ago you were saying that trade into the UK was so important to Europe that we would get a preferential deal.

We will.

I think we'll be a trade partner with free movement of goods, people and services without anything else. I don't expect us to end up contributing anything more than some kind of admin fee to EU funds and I expect us to have the benefit of being able to trade freely with the rest of the world.

Those with power in the EU have made their stance clear - free trade = free movement. I don't get any impression they want to go past that - especially if we time it right

 

[the dza]

Then they were fools.

It was made very clear before the referendum that free trade required free movement and there isn't a government on this planet that would sign away free trade.

It was made clear by the remain camp. The leave side were all very specific about controlling our borders and making the vote a vote on immigration.

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org...s_based_non_discriminatory_immigration_system

"...Fourth, by the next general election, we will create a genuine Australian-style points based immigration system. The automatic right of all EU citizens to come to live and work in the UK will end, as will EU control over vital aspects of our social security system. EU citizens will be subject to legislation made by those we elect in Westminster, not in Brussels. We could then create fairness between EU citizens and others, including those from Commonwealth countries."

Statement by Michael Gove, Boris Johnson, Priti Patel, and Gisela Stuart