Not sure what happened, meant to say a total gimmick. Fuel prices are already available online, if they really want to help they could cut fuel duty, reduce energy prices and boost uptake of EVs alongside it.
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Not sure what happened, meant to say a total gimmick. Fuel prices are already available online, if they really want to help they could cut fuel duty, reduce energy prices and boost uptake of EVs alongside it.
Could Burnham be anymore subtle about trying to rejoin the EU, wouldn't be surprised if he calls an election next year with that as his main policy.
Feels like he has no ideas at all, monster majority and almost 3 years to go. There's plenty they could be getting on with now but they don't seem to be doing anything.
Feels like he has no ideas at all, monster majority and almost 3 years to go. There's plenty they could be getting on with now but they don't seem to be doing anything.
robp135
Young-Pyo Lee
Mikey10
Ian Walker
Agreed.
I mean, aside from presenting initial ideas for a National Care Service, a programme aimed at delivering much more affordable social housing, bringing water services back into public ownership, reducing VAT on electricity bills, capping bus fares at £2, reducing council tax with a land value tax, adjusting the pension triple lock, reindustrialising Britain, devolving power to the regions, bringing parity with vocational routes in the education system and seeking to bring an end to homelessness, he’s been completely silent.
Personally, I think he just sits in the No 10 flat playing Smiths and New Order records.
Lost Mango
Alan Hutton
Parliament only restarted after their summer holidays at 2.30pm yesterday, bless them, but they had been doing stuff before the recess.
Summer is always quiet and then silly season with the conferences, but agree they could at least be floating more meaningful ideas than rerunning Brexit at the moment
ricky2tricky4city
Gary Stevens
In modern politics (well Trumps version), you just say what you're going to do, don't be shy about it. Perhaps thats not in line with the contents of the (Starmers) manifesto, and there'd be calls for an election to mandate such a move BUT be bold about it.
Besides it's a good time to get people thinking it's not such a bad idea. 1. The original direction/decision hasn't exactly proven successful 2.Smooth out trade with our biggest business partner, anything to help business 3.Geopolitically it looks like Europe needs to stick strongly together in the short to midterm, and if we have to draw a line in the sand with Trump, it'll be better with Europe looking united. (The opposite to what the dictators are plotting or want)
MartyFunkhouser
Teddy Sheringham
Was there actual need for a referendum to leave the EU in the first place? I can't remember the terms or could the government have said "look we are leaving for the better of the UK" in the same way now, in theory they could say the same about re-joining?
ricky2tricky4city
Gary Stevens
Just to add......
It's a prime time to rejoin/renegotiate as before it was very much us (UK) and them (EU), when thats now shifted completely with the geopolitical chaos, we are very much on the same side.
Well,with the party currently in power we are....and that's where the risk is. Push for this and you could be forced into an election (or second referendum, either for real or by proxy), and we are back to the country being split in half, and Nige ranting on and on about it again.
Good communication can win out here though.
It's a prime time to rejoin/renegotiate as before it was very much us (UK) and them (EU), when thats now shifted completely with the geopolitical chaos, we are very much on the same side.
Well,with the party currently in power we are....and that's where the risk is. Push for this and you could be forced into an election (or second referendum, either for real or by proxy), and we are back to the country being split in half, and Nige ranting on and on about it again.
Good communication can win out here though.
ricky2tricky4city
Gary Stevens
It was Cameron promising one just to be elected for another term iirc
MartyFunkhouser
Teddy Sheringham
Yeh, I thought that. PR exercise that went wrong.
johnaliola
Edgar Davids
It will need a killer argument for us to rejoin.
The killer argument is against rejoining. That voters livelihoods will be put at risk by an influx of cheap labour.
And it doesn’t help that European politics are lurching to the right.
The killer argument is against rejoining. That voters livelihoods will be put at risk by an influx of cheap labour.
And it doesn’t help that European politics are lurching to the right.
Mikey10
Ian Walker
I think most working people's livelihoods are already being put at risk by a decade long stagnation in the UK economy.
The figures suggest that people realise it was an error.
How strong is UK support for rejoining the European Union?
YouGov data tracks British public opinion on our future relationship with the EU
yougov.com
MartyFunkhouser
Teddy Sheringham
I think most working people's livelihoods are already being put at risk by a decade long stagnation in the UK economy.
The figures suggest that people realise it was an error.
How strong is UK support for rejoining the European Union?
YouGov data tracks British public opinion on our future relationship with the EU
I think there are many quick and easy assumptions made, no two countries have the same economic make up, so the suggestion we would have followed Germany and their economy is flawed IMO.
As an Island who is reliant on import/export business was always going to be hurt more from the decision.
The numbers on the boat arrivals tracking up from around zero before Brexit is also very telling..
Clarky
Danny Murphy
'About'... I love these numbers that are thrown about. The Bank of England said it had cost the UK Economy 6%. 6% of what though? It can't be 6% of GDP surely as that is £4 trillion, or £3trillion in cash terms. The latter would mean £180bn, the former £255bn. The suggested losses are usually £65bn to £100bn dependent on who is campaigning for what. Comparing trade then and now are very difficult because nothing is linear. The energy costs, supply chain issues etc have all impacted trade globally. We have hugely increased our services export, while products have stayed fairly level. Lord knows we could do with a 'guaranteed' £42bn a year, per year for the next 6 years.
Many of those are small ticker items as acknowledged by Burnham himself like the bus fares, VAT on electricity bills. Lots of the other items are for years into the future like land value tax, care service. Fair enough to have the debate but there's so many things a government with a majority this size could be doing but they seem to feel that they're powerless without being in the EU or they duck the issue. With water there's nothing stopping them bringing Thames Water into public control now but they've been unable to explain how or what benefit it would bring. There's a total absence of policies geared to growth either - ironically if they succeeded he'd have more money for the larger state he wants.
johnaliola
Edgar Davids
I think most working people's livelihoods are already being put at risk by a decade long stagnation in the UK economy.
The figures suggest that people realise it was an error.
How strong is UK support for rejoining the European Union?
YouGov data tracks British public opinion on our future relationship with the EU
If it were obvious there would be a net gain in employment opportunities for Britons then great, or an increase in median wealth.
Yea there will be great opportunities for corporations and the shareholders, and the associated elites, but it has extremely limited appeal to the man in the street and voting on the day will reflect that.
We all know full well what membership of the EU is and isn’t which is why I hold very little hope of rejoining.
This is why Burnham has no intention of repeating a referendum.
It was his choice to stage a coup when he did, allegedly he asked Starmer to stay until now so he could come up with some plans lol
Not denying there's been an impact but the 100 billion has been debunked by various places - https://julianhjessop.com/2025/01/04/is-brexit-really-costing-the-uk-economy-100-billion-a-year/
MartyFunkhouser
Teddy Sheringham
TBF he is months in not years
I like him and make no bones for it, I still expect him to be given some time to impact politics.
Thatcher had 3 terms, Burnham had 3 months
I know we live in a now now now society but something has to give. I didnt vote Tories last time but I would have preferred one leader not 10