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Pedro Porro

He's OK but I think we could upgrade him, his crossing and general attacking play has got worse and he's never been that good at actual defending. One of the people I think we need to be ruthless with and sell - I think Spence is good enough to start and we'll obviously need another back up. Ideally someone who is a bit more experienced. I wonder if Walker might fancy coming back.
 
P.D. said:
He's OK but I think we could upgrade him, his crossing and general attacking play has got worse and he's never been that good at actual defending. One of the people I think we need to be ruthless with and sell - I think Spence is good enough to start and we'll obviously need another back up. Ideally someone who is a bit more experienced. I wonder if Walker might fancy coming back.
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Spence is not a better player than Porro, not even close

Not having a go at you, but really don't understand not rating the guy, he's not a defensive FB but he's levels above any of our other FBs and if we wanted to sell him, he'd be one of the few players that would go to a better club.
 
Raziel said:
Had a very good game, showed again under RDZ the player he is.
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i don't think he had a good game. especially under rdz - his crosses are floaters that are easily read by defenders and he isn't as attack minded like djed is going forward, especially in 1 v 1s.

looks very ordinary under rdz - cross when you can (non threatening usually), doesn't take on players, doesn't seize the initiative to attack space. was better under ange but we also finished 17th and looked poor in set pieces

tel has a much better delivery - and he can do that with both feet.
 
Raziel said:
Spence is not a better player than Porro, not even close

Not having a go at you, but really don't understand not rating the guy, he's not a defensive FB but he's levels above any of our other FBs and if we wanted to sell him, he'd be one of the few players that would go to a better club.
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Is he more like Trent who's good going forwards but can't defend? That's how I see him and I think first and foremost fbs do need to defend and lets not forget he's been first choice RB in a team that finished 17th 2 seasons in a row. We cant keep saying these players are good enough because they're not and if we can get a decent fee then we should take it.

Spence is a different kind of full back but I'd be comfortable with him being first choice, he's good enough and we don't have Europe either. I'd take someone like Walker as a back up - would be a great player for Spence to learn from.
 
P.D. said:
Is he more like Trent who's good going forwards but can't defend? That's how I see him and I think first and foremost fbs do need to defend and lets not forget he's been first choice RB in a team that finished 17th 2 seasons in a row. We cant keep saying these players are good enough because they're not and if we can get a decent fee then we should take it.

Spence is a different kind of full back but I'd be comfortable with him being first choice, he's good enough and we don't have Europe either. I'd take someone like Walker as a back up - would be a great player for Spence to learn from.
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Walker still makes big mistakes but at City was rarely under pressure.
 
P.D. said:
Is he more like Trent who's good going forwards but can't defend? That's how I see him and I think first and foremost fbs do need to defend and lets not forget he's been first choice RB in a team that finished 17th 2 seasons in a row. We cant keep saying these players are good enough because they're not and if we can get a decent fee then we should take it.

Spence is a different kind of full back but I'd be comfortable with him being first choice, he's good enough and we don't have Europe either. I'd take someone like Walker as a back up - would be a great player for Spence to learn from.
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His numbers are very similar to TAA (or were prior to this season) in a significantly worse team. He was bought as a WB for Conte and that's where he really shines (and that part you judge with how he plays when Deki/Kudus/etc. play in front of him, the only part of the team Frank ever got anything out of was Porro/Kudus)

My perspective (to try to avoid my own biases) in judging our players is which one would be sold to a bigger club and who the managers pick
- VDV, Romero and Porro are the only 3 senior players in the team who could be sold to a bigger team
- No manager is playing Spence over Porro

Add in his fitness, attitude and general lack of drama, I think anyone who thinks RDZ will sell/upgrade Porro anytime soon will be very disappointed.

Pretty much all players (except Kane) can be upgraded, it's all about priorities, I honestly see no change in FBs (going out) this summer.
 
He has been better of late but he is still a defensive liability. I know people like his shirt pointing and performative noncense, but he is our best attacking FB but worse defensively
 
Included in the Spain squad for the World Cup. I thought he was our best outfield player yesterday, but at the same time I feel he cannot always be relied upon defensively. Difficult to say what his future with us will be. I hope he stays, and plays like he did yesterday when it mattered, but I also believe Spence is the better defender, and has a higher ceiling at RB. The fate of Porro this summer may well tell us a lot about how serious ENIC/De Zerbi are when it comes to an overhaul.
 
Hotspur75 said:
Included in the Spain squad for the World Cup. I thought he was our best outfield player yesterday, but at the same time I feel he cannot always be relied upon defensively. Difficult to say what his future with us will be. I hope he stays, and plays like he did yesterday when it mattered, but I also believe Spence is the better defender, and has a higher ceiling at RB. The fate of Porro this summer may well tell us a lot about how serious ENIC/De Zerbi are when it comes to an overhaul.
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If he has a good world cup we will probably get £40m for him, i’d take that.
 
Yiddo said:
If he has a good world cup we will probably get £40m for him, i’d take that.
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I would sell him to reinvest and reinvent the squad, he isn't going to magically get to another level and we have likely seen the best of what he has to offer and its not real top top level, so depending on ambitions I would roll the dice on another to join Spence
 
Raziel said:
Spence is not a better player than Porro, not even close

Not having a go at you, but really don't understand not rating the guy, he's not a defensive FB but he's levels above any of our other FBs and if we wanted to sell him, he'd be one of the few players that would go to a better club.
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Ok not sure what you mean by better player. Is Spence better offensively? It's debatable, Spence is better on the ball in terms of attacking and beating the opposition defender. He's more secure in the ball and can genuinely dribble something Porro cannot do. Porro has the advantage in crossing and long distance passing. Their combinational play seems fairly similar and I couldn't really swperate them in that regard.

Defensively Spence is leagues better even if he himself is not perfect. 1 on 1 defending isn't even close Porro is regularly beaten by his winger especially if they cut in in his right foot. It's very predictable you know it's going to happen. The great save Kinsky made at the end of the game was yet another example. He also regularly leaves his man spare at the far post offering a free chance at a shot or pass back across goal. We consistently concede from these movements when Porro has left his man in free space.

I don't think Spence is by any means fauless, it's arguably that he leaves his man in too much space but at he has both the pace to catch them, the strength to jockey then and most importantly the defensive instincts to actually stop them progressing with the ball. Something Porro often fails to do.

Now sure if you rate offensive contributions from a FB more than you do the defensive even though the defensive lapses cost you more in the long term then maybe I can see a preference for Porro but as I'll always say, I like my defenders to be able to defend and Porro has failed at that under every manager who has had the Tottenham job in his time here.
 
Bishop said:
Ok not sure what you mean by better player. Is Spence better offensively? It's debatable, Spence is better on the ball in terms of attacking and beating the opposition defender. He's more secure in the ball and can genuinely dribble something Porro cannot do. Porro has the advantage in crossing and long distance passing. Their combinational play seems fairly similar and I couldn't really swperate them in that regard.

Defensively Spence is leagues better even if he himself is not perfect. 1 on 1 defending isn't even close Porro is regularly beaten by his winger especially if they cut in in his right foot. It's very predictable you know it's going to happen. The great save Kinsky made at the end of the game was yet another example. He also regularly leaves his man spare at the far post offering a free chance at a shot or pass back across goal. We consistently concede from these movements when Porro has left his man in free space.

I don't think Spence is by any means fauless, it's arguably that he leaves his man in too much space but at he has both the pace to catch them, the strength to jockey then and most importantly the defensive instincts to actually stop them progressing with the ball. Something Porro often fails to do.

Now sure if you rate offensive contributions from a FB more than you do the defensive even though the defensive lapses cost you more in the long term then maybe I can see a preference for Porro but as I'll always say, I like my defenders to be able to defend and Porro has failed at that under every manager who has had the Tottenham job in his time here.
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Very good post, I agree with everything you say.

I think the one thing that you don't mention here in favour of Porro is his mentality, which is always top-notch. Someone else said - maybe on the Game is about Glory pod or on here - that Porro would be someone to build a relegation-threatened side around, someone for RDZ to rely on in the difficult weeks that are now behind us (just like Richi). I think Porro showed that yesterday, from start to finish.
 
Hotspur75 said:
Very good post, I agree with everything you say.

I think the one thing that you don't mention here in favour of Porro is his mentality, which is always top-notch. Someone else said - maybe on the Game is about Glory pod or on here - that Porro would be someone to build a relegation-threatened side around, someone for RDZ to rely on in the difficult weeks that are now behind us (just like Richi). I think Porro showed that yesterday, from start to finish.
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You're right his mentality is fantastic and I have credited him with that in past comments on him (just missed it in this one).
 
Bishop said:
Ok not sure what you mean by better player. Is Spence better offensively? It's debatable, Spence is better on the ball in terms of attacking and beating the opposition defender. He's more secure in the ball and can genuinely dribble something Porro cannot do. Porro has the advantage in crossing and long distance passing. Their combinational play seems fairly similar and I couldn't really swperate them in that regard.

Defensively Spence is leagues better even if he himself is not perfect. 1 on 1 defending isn't even close Porro is regularly beaten by his winger especially if they cut in in his right foot. It's very predictable you know it's going to happen. The great save Kinsky made at the end of the game was yet another example. He also regularly leaves his man spare at the far post offering a free chance at a shot or pass back across goal. We consistently concede from these movements when Porro has left his man in free space.

I don't think Spence is by any means fauless, it's arguably that he leaves his man in too much space but at he has both the pace to catch them, the strength to jockey then and most importantly the defensive instincts to actually stop them progressing with the ball. Something Porro often fails to do.

Now sure if you rate offensive contributions from a FB more than you do the defensive even though the defensive lapses cost you more in the long term then maybe I can see a preference for Porro but as I'll always say, I like my defenders to be able to defend and Porro has failed at that under every manager who has had the Tottenham job in his time here.
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Porro has been one of our only "creative options" in the team for some time now, which hugely influences his positioning (which he then gets blamed for). The far post thing is a tactic, we leave the far post free (we are not the only club, City does it as well), it's happened on both sides, the right side gets targeted because we haven't had good options in front of Porro for a while (RKM, Johnson, etc.) and Porro is the high FB.

Spence is very good at 1:1 defending and has the flexibility to play both sides (which is honestly the only reason he's still here and got picked for England). The idea that Spence is anywhere in Porro's league attacking wise is so off it's crazy. Data
- Spence, 3 seasons at Spurs, 59 games, 1 goal, 2 assists
- Porro, 4 seasons at Sours, 117 games, 9 goals, 18 assists. Porro's Goals per 90 is 3X Spence, his assists per 90 is >4X

If you played Spence over Porro, this side would be even more brick at creating chances (unless you completely change midfield and how we play)

We can argue all day (and are each entitled to our opinion) but Conte didn't, Ange didn't, Frank didn't and RDZ will not pick Spence over Porro as starter, willing to put a bet on it.
 
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