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robp135 said:
I get that it’s hard to understand as a non beliver and someone that resents Christianity, which I actually think is understandable for you. But your coming at this too much from that position and concluding a thought process would be held on a large scale when that is just not the case.

For the most part you have two types of Christians and I can talk to this as I had been both at points in my life.

Those who are absolute believers, in which case they hold true belief in the immaculate conception,

Then those who are just culturally Christian and it plays no major role in their daily life outside of the wider influences. In which case they either put so little thought into how Mary got pregnant it won’t even cross their mind she may have been raped, let alone use it to justify committing that crime themselves
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I dont resent any religion, I studied religion and sociology, religion and history fascinates me and I understand why people want to believe certain narratives, I also believe parts of all religions have given a good basis to thr four corners of society, I also think there are parts that have then been detrimental to those foundations.

To put if crude, I just dont believe in the hocus pocus and convenience of so many of the stories and writings of religion, its outdated and the more we discover in life the less places there is for the literal conversion of things like the Bible.

For me they are fables, no more, no less.

No resentment to it or anyone that believes it

Anyway, this is a politics thread, I will leave the religion there
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
I dont resent any religion, I studied religion and sociology, religion and history fascinates me and I understand why people want to believe certain narratives, I also believe parts of all religions have given a good basis to thr four corners of society, I also think there are parts that have then been detrimental to those foundations.

To put if crude, I just dont believe in the hocus pocus and convenience of so many of the stories and writings of religion, its outdated and the more we discover in life the less places there is for the literal conversion of things like the Bible.

For me they are fables, no more, no less.

No resentment to it or anyone that believes it

Anyway, this is a politics thread, I will leave the religion there
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You are sitting ok the fence. Some religions have had a greater positive impact or a greater negative impact than others. Break it down.
 
Gazza said:
Have you though ? Not once in this thread have you acknowledged the victims statements who themselves have said that their predators suggested Islam was behind their wrongdoing. All you have done is bring up other faiths to deflect
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They may have said it. So what? I don't think it matters. They were evil and they said lots of things. The reasons these men did what they did is because they could. Not all men. But it's almost always men. It's terrifying what we men are capable of. And some women. But as we seem to be looking for data points we can focus on the stronger one. Men.

It's always been my issue with this debate. People like you seem to care very little for the victims. You seem more angry that it was done by a certain group of people who you do not like. That cannot be the right thing. The victims and the reasons they were failed are critical. We live in a society where children are supposed to be protected at any cost. They were not and are not.

All of our energy should be going in to stopping this from ever happening again. That means serious investment and reform of the social services system and the Police. Who all failed these children.

That's what I care about. As do all the other people you seem to be fighting with on this thread.
 
LutonSpurs said:
There's literally no proof any of these people existed beyond some odd scraps. They were just systems put in place to make people like you think there's soemthing beyond this life.
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well i was dead on & off for 9 minutes no bright lights no family members calling me home no pearly gates. zilch nada nothing. So i will go with what i have always believed its all made up flimflam put in a book. unfortunately people believe this nonsense.
 
LutonSpurs said:
They may have said it. So what? I don't think it matters. They were evil and they said lots of things. The reasons these men did what they did is because they could. Not all men. But it's almost always men. It's terrifying what we men are capable of. And some women. But as we seem to be looking for data points we can focus on the stronger one. Men.

It's always been my issue with this debate. People like you seem to care very little for the victims. You seem more angry that it was done by a certain group of people who you do not like. That cannot be the right thing. The victims and the reasons they were failed are critical. We live in a society where children are supposed to be protected at any cost. They were not and are not.

All of our energy should be going in to stopping this from ever happening again. That means serious investment and reform of the social services system and the Police. Who all failed these children.

That's what I care about. As do all the other people you seem to be fighting with on this thread.
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I’m not fighting anyone … you do have some imagination I give you that.

The countries victims make a statement and you reply with “So what?” And then give your reason why you dismiss it. You really are a touch special.

Then go on to lecture about discussing caring about the victims?

You care about them so much that you can’t accept their testimony of events and what they lived through. You are a disgusting individual.

Again I don’t think my point about the entirety of the sad situation focuses just on the Pakistani rape gang culture, I’ve discussed the victims countless times; however there are people like you that refuse to accept victim accounts who clearly state that it was it was racially and religiously motivated.

You are quite happy to discuss Christianity in a certain light yet not one post when it comes to the inspiration for rape gangs, Mohammed and Islam. Everyone can see that.

You have these terrible scenarios of Catholic men rapping young boys. It’s abhorrent. Not exactly following the life of Jesus.

Being inspired by 60 year old Mohammed sexing it up with a 9 year old is not an honourable example set by the supposed best example to man kind.

I’ll leave it at that, you seem to be quite delusional upon the matter.
 
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Gazza said:
I’m not fighting anyone … you do have some imagination I give you that.

Again I don’t think my point about the entirety of the sad situation focuses just on the Pakistani rape gang culture, I’ve discussed the victims countless times; however there are people like you that refuse to accept victim accounts who clearly state that it was it was racially and religiously motivated.

You are quite happy to discuss Christianity in a certain light yet not one post when it comes to the inspiration for rape gangs, Mohammed and Islam. Everyone can see that.

You have these terrible scenarios of Catholic men rapping young boys. It’s abhorrent. Not exactly following the life of Jesus.

Being inspired by 60 year old Mohammed sexing it up with a 9 year old is not an honourable example set by the supposed best example to man kind.

I’ll leave it at that, you seem to be quite delusional upon the matter.
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Repeat repear repeat ignore. You do not care about the victims.
 
LutonSpurs said:
Repeat repear repeat ignore. You do not care about the victims.
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Can’t say a word can you? I don’t care about the victims? At the very least I listen to what they say … unlike you trying to put some sort of spin on it.

You really should get your head out of your own ass.
 
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