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The Current State of Spurs (and some sympathy for Thomas Frank)

kb 1984 said:
He has won the Europa league with Eintracht Frankfurt & the FA cup with Palace having only been there for two years. Frank was at Brentford for seven years & won nothing. His biggest achievement was keeping Brentford in the league. For me Palace play a better brand of football to Franks Brentford & at the moment us. At the end of the day it's all opinions what we can agree on is we need to win trophies whoever the manager maybe

To be honest I think Brentford & Palace are are on the same level.Neither could keep there best players & they certainly don't have the financial clout of most Premier league clubs
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Using the same metric as our EL win, Frankfurt beat rangers in the final, yes Glasgow rangers from the SPL, and had to go to penalties to do so.
Not exactly such a ringing endorsement.
 
glasgowspur said:
Using the same metric as our EL win, Frankfurt beat rangers in the final, yes Glasgow rangers from the SPL, and had to go to penalties to do so.
Not exactly such a ringing endorsement.
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Well unlike others I consider winning the UEFA cup an achievement & I didn't want Ange sacked. He should have been given this season. That's a whole different thread

It's odd that we wanted trophies finally win one then say it's the UEFA cup & it doesn't mean anything. I wouldn't mind winning the FA cup which he also achieved in a short period of time. Was that nothing

I find it strange people don't see them as achievements
 
kb 1984 said:
Well unlike others I consider winning the UEFA cup an achievement & I didn't want Ange sacked. He should have been given this season. That's a whole different thread

It's odd that we wanted trophies finally win one then say it's the UEFA cup & it doesn't mean anything. I wouldn't mind winning the FA cup which he also achieved in a short period of time. Was that nothing

I find it strange people don't see them as achievements
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The EL trophy means a lot to me. I do agree that we shouldn't be so dismissive of Frank's amazing achievements though. You can have both at the same time.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Its the biggest slight of hand tactic to fool a fanbase that is easily fooled

"the big bad wolf has gone, we want success and we want the investment to be on the field not off it"

I mean if they were not the same owner group that was here before it wouldn't be so laughable

The idea also now that people still talk and act like Levy was acting like some broken arrow, taking their investment from 55m to 4bn and took all those decisions on his own, and therefore they are now upset................do me a favour
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It's more like, when Lewis was in charge, he was happy to let Levy fatten up the cow, because he was doing a bloody good job. Now his kids are in charge, it's 'let's have a go at playing PL chairman '.
 
Muttley said:
The EL trophy means a lot to me. I do agree that we shouldn't be so dismissive of Frank's amazing achievements though. You can have both at the same time.
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I am not dismissive of what he has done especially keeping Brentford up for 7 years. What I am saying is evaluate frank at the end of season but if we did sack him know I would go with Glasner

What are Franks achievements beside keeping Brentford in the premier league for seven years
 
Lemonade Money said:
It's more like, when Lewis was in charge, he was happy to let Levy fatten up the cow, because he was doing a bloody good job. Now his kids are in charge, it's 'let's have a go at playing PL chairman '.
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Lewis is still the owner, their involvement is just a legality loop hole.

Point is, Levy wasn't doing anything without his say so, the idea he was working as a lone wolf is BS
 
My point big concern is about TF is i cannot see what style of play he is trying to employ. Is he leading towards counter attack, does he want the ball, or something in between. There is no hint of anything. That needs to change asap to give the players a chance to adapt
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Lewis is still the owner, their involvement is just a legality loop hole.

Point is, Levy wasn't doing anything without his say so, the idea he was working as a lone wolf is BS
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How old is Lewis now? What is his health like? Is he even sane?
Sacking Levy and getting his kids involved in any way suggests not. Or it wasn't his decision?
 
kb 1984 said:
I am not dismissive of what he has done especially keeping Brentford up for 7 years. What I am saying is evaluate frank at the end of season but if we did sack him know I would go with Glasner

What are Franks achievements beside keeping Brentford in the premier league for seven years
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Frank spent years and years in youth coaching and assistant roles. It's really only been 2018 since he's been a 1st team manager. I would say this last bit is not dissimilar to Klopp at Mainz 05. Jurgen was 7 years there with the smallest stadium and the smallest budget and built his reputation that attracted him to Dortmund. He never looked back in his next 2 roles and there were no trophies to fall back on in the early days.

I don't think there is any linear model you'll fine with these managers.
 
kb 1984 said:
I am not dismissive of what he has done especially keeping Brentford up for 7 years. What I am saying is evaluate frank at the end of season but if we did sack him know I would go with Glasner

What are Franks achievements beside keeping Brentford in the premier league for seven years
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btw, wasn't saying you individually were being dismissive. I have read posts doing that though. Quite ironic really after everyone putting up the big fight that Ange's career in other leagues was credible and shouldn't have been questioned. Then Frank gets dissected like a lab rat for operating in one of the world's toughest leagues for a long time.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
I imagine Spurs are just now for sale more so than ever and more so than any of them will have the fans believe
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If that is true, they obviously thought it's worth more without Levy, or easier to sell, or maybe he was a dissenting voice, and didn't want to sell/sell to anyone?
You would have thought that anyone looking to buy to just make money would want Levy to remain?
 
Lemonade Money said:
If that is true, they obviously thought it's worth more without Levy, or easier to sell, or maybe he was a dissenting voice, and didn't want to sell/sell to anyone?
You would have thought that anyone looking to buy to just make money would want Levy to remain?
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I imagine Levy and having a voice in that given his shares is likely an easier situation to resolve without him there. He would likely have different ideas at the junction of a sale than others, given the time he spent actively building the club at the coal face
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
I imagine Levy and having a voice in that given his shares is likely an easier situation to resolve without him there. He would likely have different ideas at the junction of a sale than others, given the time he spent actively building the club at the coal face
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I could see a scenario where new buyers just put him back in charge to be fair.
 
parj said:
My point big concern is about TF is i cannot see what style of play he is trying to employ. Is he leading towards counter attack, does he want the ball, or something in between. There is no hint of anything. That needs to change asap to give the players a chance to adapt
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I see that as a good thing, not having one style, being adaptable to the available squad and opposition.

We talk about system managers, I'd rather have a method manager.
 
Baleforce said:
I see that as a good thing, not having one style, being adaptable to the available squad and opposition.

We talk about system managers, I'd rather have a method manager.
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I would also have someone willing to do a deep surgery on a squad and get one that works long term and can be trusted long term.

Another manager would have likely come in and got a feel good bounce and a run of games and wins out of them, I don't doubt that, but when the going gets tough, this lot always get going, without fail. So whoever does the hard graft here as manager and doesn't just wanna be their best mate is always going to get the bloodiest nose.
 
Baleforce said:
I see that as a good thing, not having one style, being adaptable to the available squad and opposition.

We talk about system managers, I'd rather have a method manager.
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It's a good thing if the players can execute it. If we are barely managing a shot on goal, then the methods aren't working. There needs to be one base way of playing. It's our foundation. It's what the team should be coached on at the beginning. The other methods need to develop once we get one right. We have zero right at the moment.
 
parj said:
It's a good thing if the players can execute it. If we are barely managing a shot on goal, then the methods aren't working. There needs to be one base way of playing. It's our foundation. It's what the team should be coached on at the beginning. The other methods need to develop once we get one right. We have zero right at the moment.
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He’s only been here 5 minutes.
 
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