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Thomas Frank - Head Coach

Grays_1890 said:
Of course, but its worth repeating for those that think hire and fire is the way to success
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I do agree,sadly a lot of fans seem to think we HAVE change managers all the time. 8 in the last 6 years including caretakers And there are some who think Frank should /may have to go. No wonder we struggle to gain consistancy. MADNESS.
 
Finney Is Back said:
IMO these two things contradict each other.... If not getting much time between games to work on things then surely better to try to instill one style of play first before looking to keep on making changes depending on the opposition? That can surely come later?
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I think that’s his biggest gamble and error
He has chopped and change teams (within a formation) and now styles of formation
It’s caused confusion and discontent within the squad and no one seems to know their roles
Seeing 3 people pick up the ball for a throw in on Saturday had be majorly worried. And it ended up with Danso for the long throw anyway
 
parklane1 said:
I do agree,sadly a lot of fans seem to think we HAVE change managers all the time. 8 in the last 6 years including caretakers And there are some who think Frank should /may have to go. No wonder we struggle to gain consistancy. MADNESS.
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Too many Chelsea cucks in the fan base I have long observed
 
Grays_1890 said:
And time, there is no plan in the world of football that is based on 6 months to a year for immediate success unless you are one of 3 sides (we ain't)
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Agreed
Fully
But You have to reflect regularly on the plan
That’s what any good functional organisation does
It’s simply plan, do, review
My issue with Frank ball is you can’t see the plan. I think that’s clear, in that it’s all over the place
I think he is doubting himself and his own experience. Getting him reference Bromby as similar pressure was odd for me (but he can only quote what he knows). Then see him reference missing all his goal scorers when having the top scorer from last year nowhere near the team… and also how does that comment land with the other players he has. He should have said j have every confidence in the players I have available to do what’s needed… that’s the normal and sensible move
 
Grays_1890 said:
Which has no relation to the point being made

The comparison of what they have won respectively doesn't have a bearing on there being a "feeling of snobbery" if anything it just highlights the ridiculousness of Arsenal fans.

Point being their fanbase were cnuts to him and looked down their nose at him as they didn't feel he was up to it, which has the exact same feeling we are doing here based on the plethora of comments
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I don't think Arsenal had a feeling of snobbery about Emery at all. I just think they didn't like the fact that we were flying under Pochettino and they'd fallen from their peak Wenger years.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I don't think Arsenal had a feeling of snobbery about Emery at all. I just think they didn't like the fact that we were flying under Pochettino and they'd fallen from their peak Wenger years.
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He was absolutely ridiculed by large portions of their fanbase (ironically those who hounded out Wenger). His accent was also a source of ridicule which their fans jumped on with and were vocal about being embarrassed, shamefully
 
Finney Is Back said:
'settled' in what way?
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Manager been there a while, players come in to slot into a system that core players know already, the general feeling around the place and managers infrastructure and culture has time to bed in.

The clubs compared to in the original post are not starting from yet another fresh standing start like we are, despite the resources we have. Our ability to self sabotage as a club is clearly one of the things holding us back beyond just the managers and I will die on that cross
 
Grays_1890 said:
Which has no relation to the point being made

The comparison of what they have won respectively doesn't have a bearing on there being a "feeling of snobbery" if anything it just highlights the ridiculousness of Arsenal fans.

Point being their fanbase were cnuts to him and looked down their nose at him as they didn't feel he was up to it, which has the exact same feeling we are doing here based on the plethora of comments
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Some Arsenal fans were snobs aye but just to make it clear, Emery is a far better manager than Frank based on records so far. I even rate him still better than Arteta. Hmm could we go for him ..
 
afsoc4life said:
Some Arsenal fans were snobs aye but just to make it clear, Emery is a far better manager than Frank based on records so far. I even rate him still better than Arteta. Hmm could we go for him ..
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Well if that was the point and comparison being made then fine but FFS no one can either read or sit on their hands to have another pop at Frank.

I merely highlighted that a mate said it had the same "feeling of snobbery" which I felt yeh it did to a point. Absolutely nothing to do with their records or comparing them as managers
 
The problem with the whole piece about 'giving the manager time' is that we all know it doesn't happen, especially at our football club.

If a manager is doing poorly at Spurs then the tradition has always been that the board will fire him and replace him. If Pochettino can be sacked a dozen games into a season after multiple CL qualifications in a row via league position then nobody is safe.

There is also the problem that if there is a combination of the results being poor and the football being poor to watch then the fans get restless. When that happens it becomes hard for the manager to turn it around.

The only potential saving grace is that we now have new decision makers in place at the club and they will perhaps have more patience than the previous decision maker.

I do think that Frank isn't doing himself any favours at present by not trying to first develop his main style of play and relying on that to beat most opposition, which would buy him the time he needs to then look to develop the intricacies and situational changes for the different opposition.

The players look somewhat confused at the moment and we've not really developed a noticeable pattern of play to work the ball forward, which is making it very easy to pen us in and ensure we'll create very few chances in a game. The setup has been extremely negative in many of the PL games this season. We're worrying far more about the opposition than they are about us. That is what I would expect when managing a club like Brentford, not a club like Spurs.

I hope Frank turns it around but if we lose to Saudi Sportswashing Machine tonight then the Brentford game becomes massive and if we failed to win that then I think it possible (perhaps even likely) that he won't last until 2026.
 
Finney Is Back said:
The problem with the whole piece about 'giving the manager time' is that we all know it doesn't happen, especially at our football club.

If a manager is doing poorly at Spurs then the tradition has always been that the board will fire him and replace him. If Pochettino can be sacked a dozen games into a season after multiple CL qualifications in a row via league position then nobody is safe.

There is also the problem that if there is a combination of the results being poor and the football being poor to watch then the fans get restless. When that happens it becomes hard for the manager to turn it around.

The only potential saving grace is that we now have new decision makers in place at the club and they will perhaps have more patience than the previous decision maker.

I do think that Frank isn't doing himself any favours at present by not trying to first develop his main style of play and relying on that to beat most opposition, which would buy him the time he needs to then look to develop the intricacies and situational changes for the different opposition.

The players look somewhat confused at the moment and we've not really developed a noticeable pattern of play to work the ball forward, which is making it very easy to pen us in and ensure we'll create very few chances in a game. The setup has been extremely negative in many of the PL games this season. We're worrying far more about the opposition than they are about us. That is what I would expect when managing a club like Brentford, not a club like Spurs.

I hope Frank turns it around but if we lose to Saudi Sportswashing Machine tonight then the Brentford game becomes massive and if we failed to win that then I think it possible (perhaps even likely) that he won't last until 2026.
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One of the fairest assessments on here, well played
 
Finney Is Back said:
I don't think that is the case at all. I think several of us were talking about us clearly resting players in the league to go all out for the Cup as the we started to get players back from injury and we had basically secured our place in the PL with the league wins against (Frank's) Brentford and Man Utd.
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I meant from the manager and the club, not the supporters.
 
Finney Is Back said:
The problem with the whole piece about 'giving the manager time' is that we all know it doesn't happen, especially at our football club.

If a manager is doing poorly at Spurs then the tradition has always been that the board will fire him and replace him. If Pochettino can be sacked a dozen games into a season after multiple CL qualifications in a row via league position then nobody is safe.

There is also the problem that if there is a combination of the results being poor and the football being poor to watch then the fans get restless. When that happens it becomes hard for the manager to turn it around.

The only potential saving grace is that we now have new decision makers in place at the club and they will perhaps have more patience than the previous decision maker.

I do think that Frank isn't doing himself any favours at present by not trying to first develop his main style of play and relying on that to beat most opposition, which would buy him the time he needs to then look to develop the intricacies and situational changes for the different opposition.

The players look somewhat confused at the moment and we've not really developed a noticeable pattern of play to work the ball forward, which is making it very easy to pen us in and ensure we'll create very few chances in a game. The setup has been extremely negative in many of the PL games this season. We're worrying far more about the opposition than they are about us. That is what I would expect when managing a club like Brentford, not a club like Spurs.

I hope Frank turns it around but if we lose to Saudi Sportswashing Machine tonight then the Brentford game becomes massive and if we failed to win that then I think it possible (perhaps even likely) that he won't last until 2026.
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Replace “the board will fire them” in your post with “the fans will want the manager out and create a toxic environment” and I think you’re spot on.

The sole exception to that in the last 15 or so years is Poch and he basically sacked himself in the end with his ramblings and the book. If Poch wanted to still be here he would have been. Some accept that, some don’t, we all know which side of that debate we’re on by now, no need for pages of back and forth, but you brought it up and this is just the counter argument…
 
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