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Cristian Romero

Absolutely robbed yesterday. What a joke of a decision by the officials.
I just realized his heading in the opposition box is excellent but his heading in his own box is pretty weak.
 
papaspur said:
Absolutely robbed yesterday. What a joke of a decision by the officials.
I just realized his heading in the opposition box is excellent but his heading in his own box is pretty weak.
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Attacking a ball and heading it even in a challenge is a fairly different skill than marking a player. See it when he's attacking the ball for long balls against us too, typically really good in those situations.

Perhaps also a result of our overall difficulties defensively in recent years? Have been a couple of those "could have done a better job marking his man" situations this season imo, but perhaps fewer than last season?
 
Grays_1890 said:
He looks absolutely World Class again, I think the tactics absolutely work in his favour, also with MVDV, both being able to almost play within themselves helps ALOT, no more hamstring busting runs to bail the the tactics out
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I genuinely think it was the previous management's insistence on holding that offside line that hampered Romero. He would be expected to stay in a line on his own 18 yard box when his instincts were telling to pivot or go with his man. That also made him look like he wasn't so good in the air as it changed his starting position. Secretly, he hated the deep offside tactics.

So much of defending is in your head and based on instinct. When you constrain that too much, bad things happen.
 
Muttley said:
I genuinely think it was the previous management's insistence on holding that offside line that hampered Romero. He would be expected to stay in a line on his own 18 yard box when his instincts were telling to pivot or go with his man. That also made him look like he wasn't so good in the air as it changed his starting position. Secretly, he hated the deep offside tactics.

So much of defending is in your head and based on instinct. When you constrain that too much, bad things happen.
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I think that is fans adjusting to suit a narrative
Watch the goals back last year where he was hugely at fault and the high line was not an issue .., in fact if anything he was too deep (like others). His issue under Ange was consistency and switching off against lesser sides
He did some of that under conte. He is a big game player
Maybe the weight of the captaincy is benefitting his game more which will only benefit the team
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I think that is fans adjusting to suit a narrative
Watch the goals back last year where he was hugely at fault and the high line was not an issue .., in fact if anything he was too deep (like others). His issue under Ange was consistency and switching off against lesser sides
He did some of that under conte. He is a big game player
Maybe the weight of the captaincy is benefitting his game more which will only benefit the team
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His brain should be fully developed now so he's probably also maturing, but agree with you. Seems like a good age for him to be captain and I hope it propels him even further to being a professional, reliable player at his ability level.
 
papaspur said:
His brain should be fully developed now so he's probably also maturing, but agree with you. Seems like a good age for him to be captain and I hope it propels him even further to being a professional, reliable player at his ability level.
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Hope so
So far so good
We can see some of his best attributes and Frank is a smart guy for him
 
I don't want to instigate something, but looking at the replay of Brightons first goal, it looks like Romero gave up when Vicario went at Minteh and got over runned. Could Romero have covered the goal line if he continued the run and threw himself at the goal line?

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Svess said:
I don't want to instigate something, but looking at the replay of Brightons first goal, it looks like Romero gave up when Vicario went at Minteh and got over runned. Could Romero have covered the goal line if he continued the run and threw himself at the goal line?

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Seen that comment on twitter
I don’t think anyone could catch him with that advantage of pace
 
Svess said:
I don't want to instigate something, but looking at the replay of Brightons first goal, it looks like Romero gave up when Vicario went at Minteh and got over runned. Could Romero have covered the goal line if he continued the run and threw himself at the goal line?

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This was raised on Twitter too but I think it was just a natural reaction once you see him go round the keeper.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I think that is fans adjusting to suit a narrative
Watch the goals back last year where he was hugely at fault and the high line was not an issue .., in fact if anything he was too deep (like others). His issue under Ange was consistency and switching off against lesser sides
He did some of that under conte. He is a big game player
Maybe the weight of the captaincy is benefitting his game more which will only benefit the team
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lol - so it's a fan adjusting to suit a narrative when another fan spots something that you don't agree with?

I didn't just watch goals. I watched tons of open play moments in that zone and the deep offside was a clear root cause of the discomfort of our players. I wrote a lot about it in the match threads.

Romero was always going to improve now he can defend in a way that comes more naturally to him. Ange's deep suicide was just dumb.
 
Muttley said:
lol - so it's a fan adjusting to suit a narrative when another fan spots something that you don't agree with?

I didn't just watch goals. I watched tons of open play moments in that zone and the deep offside was a clear root cause of the discomfort of our players. I wrote a lot about it in the match threads.

Romero was always going to improve now he can defend in a way that comes more naturally to him. Ange's deep suicide was just dumb.
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So did I
I even showed it here with photos from games
He may have struggled with the high line
But his biggest mistake was simply switching off when actually not playing offside
I think he does it when he knows he is up against inferior players
The issue is they can’t also still work hard and catch him, just like Villarreal did with his passes
 
dingdongo said:
This was raised on Twitter too but I think it was just a natural reaction once you see him go round the keeper.
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As a defender it isn't a natural reaction, least it shouldn't be.. You bust a gut to get to the line if you can't get to the man - if he goes round the keeper then you have a fighting chance to still clear it. Don't mean you will, but you fight.
(If I can do it for peanuts in Sat n Sun leagues, then a pro on thousands can do it too.)

If he had kept at the same pace and gone behind Vic at an angle then who knows.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
So did I
I even showed it here with photos from games
He may have struggled with the high line
But his biggest mistake was simply switching off when actually not playing offside
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Respectfully, you're still missing it and keep going on about the high line.

I watched over and over as our defenders went to the nearest point that made the "line" in the deeper positions. It is very different from going to the man and marking, or going with a runner. Can you imagine telling Ledders that in the moment he needed to create a line with his team mates in open play on the 18 yard line or penalty spot? You're taking away his biggest strengths which were reading of the situation and positional sense. Using his natural defending abilities, just like Romero would do with Otamendi when they won the WC. Ange deprived him of that. Not saying he wasn't culpable in certain situations though.

Then we saw loads of situations where one of the players would accidentally drop in and play them onside in the 18 yard box, especially with the chop and changing of players. It wasn't just switching off with the players. It was their heads scrambled with a system they didn't believe in. Hence why it was so easy for Frank to fix it and make players look better.
 
Muttley said:
Respectfully, you're still missing it and keep going on about the high line.

I watched over and over as our defenders went to the nearest point that made the "line" in the deeper positions. It is very different from going to the man and marking, or going with a runner. Can you imagine telling Ledders that in the moment he needed to create a line with his team mates in open play on the 18 yard line or penalty spot? You're taking away his biggest strengths which were reading of the situation and positional sense. Using his natural defending abilities, just like Romero would do with Otamendi when they won the WC. Ange deprived him of that. Not saying he wasn't culpable in certain situations though.

Then we saw loads of situations where one of the players would accidentally drop in and play them onside in the 18 yard box, especially with the chop and changing of players. It wasn't just switching off with the players. It was their heads scrambled with a system they didn't believe in. Hence why it was so easy for Frank to fix it and make players look better.
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I 100% believe the defensive principles we had installed in us for the last couple of seasons were counter intuitive to the natural instincts of our CBs and thus they'd make uncharacteristic errors due to them being out of their safe space mentally.

We might see it as Romero turning off but I think it's because he's too busy thinking about the intricacies of the shape and positioning of the line that Ange wanted implemented.
 
Muttley said:
Respectfully, you're still missing it and keep going on about the high line.

I watched over and over as our defenders went to the nearest point that made the "line" in the deeper positions. It is very different from going to the man and marking, or going with a runner. Can you imagine telling Ledders that in the moment he needed to create a line with his team mates in open play on the 18 yard line or penalty spot? You're taking away his biggest strengths which were reading of the situation and positional sense. Using his natural defending abilities, just like Romero would do with Otamendi when they won the WC. Ange deprived him of that. Not saying he wasn't culpable in certain situations though.

Then we saw loads of situations where one of the players would accidentally drop in and play them onside in the 18 yard box, especially with the chop and changing of players. It wasn't just switching off with the players. It was their heads scrambled with a system they didn't believe in. Hence why it was so easy for Frank to fix it and make players look better.
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It really wasn’t because he has done it this season already
He also did it for Conte
Your thinking about the line
Remember lestah away last uear where he left his man for Porro and that guy scored? We were on our 6 hard line almist
Brighton’s year where he left wellbeck who scored
Wolves here he had the ball and was doing something… not sure what
Lost it and they scored
The theme is he switches off against weaker sides
My nephew is an analyst now for derby. He notices every moment like that in games and he saw the theme
Teams will target that switching off
 
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