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Antonio Conte - officially NOT the coach of THFC

elltrev said:
Surprised to see so many posts saying Conte 'has to go' if we lose tonight. I'd expect to hear that if we were languishing in mid-table, and/or if Conte had disrupted a recent history of regularly winning trophies. But we haven't won a trophy in 15 years, and we're currently on track for 67 points, which is 4th best in the league (the teams behind us aren't all likely to win all their games in hand). Not brilliant, but better than the 59 and 62 points that we got in the two seasons before Conte.

Now I'm not saying things are great - we've gone backwards since last season, despite what seemed at the time like a decent summer window. So I'm certainly not satisfied with how we're performing under Conte. But I don't understand why people think he 'has to go'? Is it about more than the results? Is it also how boring we are to watch, and/or the uncertainty around his contract? (Both valid reasons IMO!)
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I think taking into account the cup exit and his prolonged recent absence, twinned with future contract uncertainty I can 100% see the reason behind thinking he is walking a slight tightrope. His saving grace being we have 4 favourable games (in theory) so should he get a stay of execution should we beat Forest, if we lose that, he will be dead man walking in my opinion
 
Grays_1890 said:
I think taking into account the cup exit and his prolonged recent absence, twinned with future contract uncertainty I can 100% see the reason behind thinking he is walking a slight tightrope. His saving grace being we have 4 favourable games (in theory) so should he get a stay of execution should we beat Forest, if we lose that, he will be dead man walking in my opinion
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Yeah I can see the contract uncertainty. Whereas I think the prolonged absence seems an unfair thing to hold against him, and the cup exit just feels like short-termist thinking to me (as I say, we haven't won a trophy in 15 years!)
 
For me its the turgid inflexible playing style - Not been this bored watching us for a long time !

That and the uncertainty - we should be building something and that takes commitment and leadership from the top - I dont think we have that , i think he believes hes doing us a favor by being here -- I want someone that wants to be here

Wheres the Conte cam - Conte - passions gone time for all parties to move on
 
makkag said:
For me its the turgid inflexible playing style - Not been this bored watching us for a long time !

That and the uncertainty - we should be building something and that takes commitment and leadership from the top - I dont think we have that , i think he believes hes doing us a favor by being here -- I want someone that wants to be here

Wheres the Conte cam - Conte - passions gone time for all parties to move on
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Yeah I feel exactly the same about the playing style to be honest. I can live with not winning a trophy and maybe missing out on top 4, but I do miss actually enjoying watching us play.
 
elltrev said:
Yeah I can see the contract uncertainty. Whereas I think the prolonged absence seems an unfair thing to hold against him, and the cup exit just feels like short-termist thinking to me (as I say, we haven't won a trophy in 15 years!)
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Like I say though, I would expect it after the weekend should we lose, which when you add it all together would make sense to some extent
 
Diamond Lights said:
Brighton will go fourth if they win all their games in hand and are a home win against Grimsby away from the semi-finals of the FA Cup.

Immense failure on our part, and specifically on our management team given the squad depth at our disposal. Lose tonight, he absolutely has to go.
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And if Brighton don't win all their games in hand and if they are beaten by Grimbsy or beaten in the semi's.
And if we win tonight, get a a favourable draw in the quarters and if...

All ifs and buts, not what I want us basing a big decision like sacking a manager on.
 
Lilbaz said:
They were champions when he took over. Not liverpool who hadn't won the league in 20 years.
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Yes, but they weren't the equivalent of Bayern or PSG, which is what you are comparing them to. Regarding what the fuss is, here are a couple of interesting reads from 3 years ago and I posted a key section from another article below. The important thing is that he is very flexible and adapts to the situations and also seems to have an approach similar to Poch, where you get paid to train, not to play

https://worldfootballindex.com/2019/10/marcelo-gallardo-river-plate-barcelona-argentina/

https://footballelements.com/2020/0...predictable-tactician-all-of-europe-is-after/


Above tactics, titles, and players, Gallardo has created a winning culture at River Plate on the back of dedication, honor, and professionalism. Gallardo usually begins his day at 7 a.m. and leaves at 8 p.m., and his players are fine-tuned machines who work, eat, and understand the importance of the team. Gallardo is not beyond playing a youth player over an experienced one if the youth player is showing well in practice, and he is famously loath to guarantee playing time to aging stars that make their return to River, valuing them for their experience and leadership instead.

No one is assured of a starting role at River Plate, but every player has a role when it comes time to step up. Gallardo has built a squad of players that can come in at any moment, and that has not been more evident than last Thursday’s Argentine league championship triumph. River Plate captured their 36th league title in the professional era, and due to form and injuries, Gallardo’s starting XI against Racing was vastly different than the one that started the season.

It is here where Marcelo Gallardo has stood out, his culture building. In his seven years in charge of River Plate, the players fight for playing time but play for the cause. Not one player has left the team since Gallardo’s arrival without stating they are better players, from Pity Martínez when he moved to Atlanta United, or lesser-known players who were loaned to smaller clubs. Gallardo has transformed River Plate to the closest thing a player in South America can get to a big-time club in Europe.
 
alekaras said:
Yes, but they weren't the equivalent of Bayern or PSG, which is what you are comparing them to. Regarding what the fuss is, here are a couple of interesting reads from 3 years ago and I posted a key section from another article below. The important thing is that he is very flexible and adapts to the situations and also seems to have an approach similar to Poch, where you get paid to train, not to play

https://worldfootballindex.com/2019/10/marcelo-gallardo-river-plate-barcelona-argentina/

https://footballelements.com/2020/0...predictable-tactician-all-of-europe-is-after/


Above tactics, titles, and players, Gallardo has created a winning culture at River Plate on the back of dedication, honor, and professionalism. Gallardo usually begins his day at 7 a.m. and leaves at 8 p.m., and his players are fine-tuned machines who work, eat, and understand the importance of the team. Gallardo is not beyond playing a youth player over an experienced one if the youth player is showing well in practice, and he is famously loath to guarantee playing time to aging stars that make their return to River, valuing them for their experience and leadership instead.

No one is assured of a starting role at River Plate, but every player has a role when it comes time to step up. Gallardo has built a squad of players that can come in at any moment, and that has not been more evident than last Thursday’s Argentine league championship triumph. River Plate captured their 36th league title in the professional era, and due to form and injuries, Gallardo’s starting XI against Racing was vastly different than the one that started the season.

It is here where Marcelo Gallardo has stood out, his culture building. In his seven years in charge of River Plate, the players fight for playing time but play for the cause. Not one player has left the team since Gallardo’s arrival without stating they are better players, from Pity Martínez when he moved to Atlanta United, or lesser-known players who were loaned to smaller clubs. Gallardo has transformed River Plate to the closest thing a player in South America can get to a big-time club in Europe.
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Thanks.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Like I say though, I would expect it after the weekend should we lose, which when you add it all together would make sense to some extent
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Personally I'd only think he 'has to go' if we go through such a prolonged run of bad form that we have no realistic chance of finishing top 4. Or if Levy thinks it's clear that Conte has no intention of staying beyond this year, and that that's rubbing off negatively on the players.

(I guess I can't help but still place some value in his significant managerial pedigree, and think that we should give him one more transfer window and one more season without bereavement and illness to see if we can get the most out of him).
 
billyiddo said:
No one's getting sacked if there's a reasonable chance they can achieve top 4
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Failure to progress tonight and a defeat to Forest would surely be the final nails in the coffin though. Pochettino to return with Southampton away in his first game, now there's a storyline
 
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