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Coronavirus

Mikey10 said:
Ta.

I thought I’d read that the vaccine may stop you getting serious symptoms but may not stop you transmitting. Don’t know if that’s the case with the annual flu vaccine?

Where’s @Hootnow when you need him?
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Herd immunity works on two prongs.
  1. It reduces exposure for those who cannot be given immunisations
  2. It reduces spread to a point where mutations are unlikely/impossible
If what you state is correct then any immunisation will fail on 2. and be of no use.

Flu vaccine in different because it mutates rapidly. Even if everyone were made immune, the mutation rate would make it impossible to stay immune.
 
awesome dawson said:
What’s angry about my post? I live in a place where lockdowns and covid are fast becoming a thing of the past, it’s summer for the next seven months and i have a beautiful fiancee who i love. Adelaide will deal with this latest minor flare up in less than two weeks is my prediction. Happy to come back to you on that though and if you’re right about seven months I’m sure you'll let me know. Also its not the size of the population which dictates the success or the failure of lockdowns, its the willingness of the population. As you prove along with many rednecks in the US, stupid is what stupid does. :)[/QUOTE
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I don’t know why you would be angry, I’m merely guessing as you are coming across that way, maybe it’s the insults.

Maybe you should spend some more time with the fiancé, sounds like you are compensating for something with that post.
 
Legohamster said:
I don’t know why you would be angry, I’m merely guessing as you are coming across that way, maybe it’s the insults.

Maybe you should spend some more time with the fiancé, sounds like you are compensating for something with that post.
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"Maybe it's the insults?"

... proceeds to insinuate said 'angry' forum member has relationship issues in a shallow, petty slur.
 
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glorygloryeze said:
Probably this: https://arstechnica.com/science/201...dence-railroadedand-then-rescued-amanda-knox/
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But this is relating to a forensic investigation, proving guilt or innocence beyond any reasonable doubt.

It's not talking about the efficacy of PCR to detect if someone has a virus? Unless I've totally misunderstood.

From the article:

None of this is to say that a well-handled, high-signal piece of DNA evidence can't be decisive. But in the end, Kobilinsky said, that evidence works best when it's part of a larger picture and not the sole factor linking a suspect to a crime.

"It's an important piece of evidence," he said, "but a verdict should be based on the sum of evidence."


I don't get what point you're trying to make. Who is this 'Research Everything' person? Sounds like a Trumper.
 
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nayenezgani said:
But this is relating to a forensic investigation, proving guilt or innocence beyond any reasonable doubt. It's not trying to detect if someone has a virus?

From the article:

None of this is to say that a well-handled, high-signal piece of DNA evidence can't be decisive. But in the end, Kobilinsky said, that evidence works best when it's part of a larger picture and not the sole factor linking a suspect to a crime.

"It's an important piece of evidence," he said, "but a verdict should be based on the sum of evidence."


I don't get what point you're trying to make. Who is this 'Research Everything' person? Sounds like a Trumper.
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It is just one example out there showing that the use of PCR to identify 'cases' is flawed, not to mention the use of this method to count said cases and justify national lockdowns.

There are several other doctors and scientists out there saying the same: the test can identify a virus in any sample if you amplify the cycles used enough and it is not appropriate for managing a pandemic.

Do you want more, or are you simply going to label other similar sources as 'Trumpist'?
 
glorygloryeze said:
It is just one example out there showing that the use of PCR to identify 'cases' is flawed, not to mention the use of this method to count said cases and justify national lockdowns.

There are several other doctors and scientists out there saying the same: the test can identify a virus in any sample if you amplify the cycles used enough and it is not appropriate for managing a pandemic.

Do you want more, or are you simply going to label other similar sources as 'Trumpist'?
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I don't think the source website is Trumpist, I think the teletext who posted it trying to link it to Covid seems like a dubious outlet for reputable information.

Some of his other posts are concerning, to say the least.
 
nayenezgani said:
I don't think the source website is Trumpist, I think the teletext who posted it trying to link it to Covid seems like a dubious outlet for reputable information.

Some of his other posts are concerning, to say the least.
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Whatever, is the information about the PCR test and its flaws Trumpist or not? You're side-stepping neatly...
 
scaramanga said:
Herd immunity works on two prongs.
  1. It reduces exposure for those who cannot be given immunisations
  2. It reduces spread to a point where mutations are unlikely/impossible
If what you state is correct then any immunisation will fail on 2. and be of no use.

Flu vaccine in different because it mutates rapidly. Even if everyone were made immune, the mutation rate would make it impossible to stay immune.
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Surely a vaccine that stops severe symptoms (and thus death) would still be useful?
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
You really love getting on your high horse about stuff dont you.

The easiest thing for those who did not agree with the brexit vote to do was throw up the old racism charge. It is probably why in general elections since it the parties that properly backed leave did well against those that campaigned to stay in.

Anyone who has lived in this country in the last 4 years would know that and would also know how the remain voting mp's supported by huge swathes if the civil service have tried to overturn a democratic process.
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They still can not accept that the majority voted to leave and they only argument they have is to call those who voted to leave racists, sad really that they fail to see that its a fallacy.
 
Diamond Lights said:
serious question, is there actually a Lockdown? I ask because... it just seems the highstreets are still just as packed, most stores open, garden centres, dry cleaners, florists etc.
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Yes, only "essential services" on the Government list are (or food outlets where you pick-up a take away or order via JustEat, Deliveroo etc).
 
Diamond Lights said:
serious question, is there actually a Lockdown? I ask because... it just seems the highstreets are still just as packed, most stores open, garden centres, dry cleaners, florists etc.
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My thoughts exactly mate.

We thought we were going out for dinner the high street in the village was so packed. Pubs selling takeaways.

Is literally restaurants and retail well some retail.
 
Diamond Lights said:
serious question, is there actually a Lockdown? I ask because... it just seems the highstreets are still just as packed, most stores open, garden centres, dry cleaners, florists etc.
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Rightly or wrongly people are ignoring it this time for a a couple of reasons

1. Data it was based on was bogus, if you are presenting wildly inaccurate stats that got taken apart by the modeller and ONS people will ignore it if it’s seen not to be truthful.

2. Jobs, people have to work - Furlough isn’t the silver bullet and people are losing jobs / companies.
 
Legohamster said:
Rightly or wrongly people are ignoring it this time for a a couple of reasons

1. Data it was based on was bogus, if you are presenting wildly inaccurate stats that got taken apart by the modeller and ONS people will ignore it if it’s seen not to be truthful.

2. Jobs, people have to work - Furlough isn’t the silver bullet and people are losing jobs / companies.
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B&Q where I work part time are open. We are all wearing face masks and using hand gel. Next where my niece works are shut accept for online pick ups.
 
According to the this from Government website: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-national-restrictions-from-5-november#businesses-and-venues


Businesses and venues which must close
To reduce social contact, the regulations require some businesses to close and impose restrictions on how some businesses provide goods and services. These include:

  • Non-essential retail, such as clothing and homeware stores, vehicle showrooms (other than for rental), betting shops, tailors, tobacco and vape shops, electronic goods and mobile phone shops, and market stalls selling non-essential goods. These venues can continue to be able to operate click-and-collect (where goods are pre-ordered and collected off the premises) and delivery services
  • Hospitality venues such as cafes, restaurants, pubs, bars and social clubs; with the exception of providing food and drink for takeaway (before 10pm; and not including alcohol), click-and-collect, drive-through or delivery
  • Accommodation such as hotels, hostels, guest houses and campsites. Except for specific circumstances, such as where these act as someone’s main residence, where the person cannot return home, for homeless people, or where it is essential to stay there for work purposes
  • Leisure and sports facilities such as leisure centres and gyms, swimming pools, tennis and basketball courts, golf courses, fitness and dance studios, climbing walls, archery, driving, and shooting ranges
  • Entertainment venues such as theatres, concert halls, cinemas, museums and galleries, casinos, amusement arcades, bingo halls, bowling alleys, skating rinks, go-karting venues, soft play centres and areas, circuses, fairgrounds, funfairs, zoos and other animal attractions, water parks and theme parks. Indoor attractions at botanical gardens, heritage homes and landmarks must also close, though outdoor grounds of these premises can stay open
  • Personal care facilities such as hair, beauty, tanning and nail salons. Tattoo parlours, spas, massage parlours, body and skin piercing services must also close. It is also prohibited to provide these services in other peoples’ homes
  • Community centres and halls must close except for a limited number of exempt activities as set out below Libraries can also remain open to provide access to IT and digital services - for example for people who do not have it at home - and for click-and-collect
  • Places of worship, apart from for the purposes of independent prayer, for funerals or funeral commemorative events, to broadcast an act of worship, to provide essential voluntary services or urgent public support services, for registered childcare, and to host permitted gatherings.
These businesses and places will also be permitted to be open for a small number of exempt activities, including:

  • education and training (for schools to use sports, leisure and community facilities where that is part of their normal provision)
  • childcare purposes and supervised activities for children (in community centres and halls, and places of worship; and supervised activities for children in indoor sports and leisure facilities)
  • hosting blood donation sessions and food banks (in community centres and halls, places of worship, and libraries)
  • to provide medical treatment
  • for elite sports persons to train and compete (in indoor and outdoor sports facilities), and professional dancers and choreographers to work (in fitness and dance studios)
  • for training and rehearsal without an audience (in theatres and concert halls)
  • for the purposes of professional film and TV filming (in retail, entertainment and leisure venues, as well as visitor attractions)
Businesses and venues which can remain open
Other businesses and venues are permitted to stay open, following COVID-19 Secure guidelines. This includes those providing essential goods, including:

  • Essential retail such as food shops, supermarkets, pharmacies, garden centres, hardware stores, building merchants and off-licences.
  • Petrol Stations, car repair and MOT services, bicycle shops, and taxi and vehicle hire businesses.
  • Banks, building societies, post offices, short-term loan providers and money transfer businesses
  • Funeral directors
  • Laundrettes and dry cleaners
  • Medical and dental services
  • Vets and pet shops
  • Agricultural supplies shops
  • Storage and distribution facilities
  • Car parks, public toilets and motorway service areas.
  • Outdoor playgrounds
Public Services
The majority of public services will continue and you will be able to leave home to visit them. These include:

  • the NHS and medical services like GPs and dentists. We are supporting the NHS to carry out urgent and non-urgent services safely, and it is vital anyone who thinks they need any kind of medical care comes forward and seeks help
  • Jobcentre Plus sites
  • Courts and probation services
  • Civil Registrations Offices
  • Passport and Visa Services
  • Services provided to victims
  • Waste or Recycling Centres
 
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