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DTA said:
What would your estimate be for said existing drugs being used in Covid-19 cases? Especially the most severe?
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I'm no expert to be honest (I'm more of a technical role) but once a company has developed the clinical trial and had it approved in a certain country (which many are working like mad to get up and running asap) then a potential patient in that particular country could be recruited.

I believe China, Japan all have patients that have participated. The UK has just had their first patient on a study already too.
 
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monkeybarry said:
I can completely understand why people can't understand that.
I'm a smart guy and I've following everything closely - but even just reading DTA's posts put together in your quote gave an extra clarity for me.

We need war time type communication - exactly like above. This is what we are doing, this is why, this is the goal.
Here is the support you all need.
You need to do X,Y,Z
You must do A,B,C
You must not do 1,2,3

Do this voluntarily and we'll sort this together.
Don't do it and we'll force you to.
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But that is not the leadership we are getting. We are getting wishy washy and reluctantly, not decisive and commanding.
The UK is really only a week in, so I can cut Johnson a bit of slack, he is learning this too. But he needs to sort his brick and do it now.
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I thought he got the tone of yesterday's address wrong. He was overly lavish with his praise for the public response, when to me it looks more like we haven't actually been asked to do an awful lot yet, and a good number of people have failed to do even that much. I also think a major mistake was made in not tightening borders much sooner. The horse has bolted at this point, but do we even have any meaningful restrictions in place now? I don't think I've heard of any.

That said, I think on balance he's done a reasonably good job so far. There's a hell of a lot to balance in all this, more than most of us have probably considered even now. One thing I do think might be happening up and down the country at the moment is a fair few people suddenly feeling rather thankful that they didn't get their way in the GE in December - voters and politicians alike.
 
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scaramanga said:
I know you'd dearly love to pin this on Conservatives but it's not going to happen. Their performance has been exemplary to this point, and they're showing that they're likely to continue that way despite Labour fudging us out of all our money when they should have been paying down debt.
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That's a big call. A bit too early to call that one way or the other. I love your confidence in that fudge wit Johnson. Blind ideological faith can be a beautiful thing.
 
The government seems to preparing the public: hinting that measures will be required, making them advisory, and [coming soon] making them mandatory. Each step will get acceptance by most people, whereas making it mandatory immediately would have been more of a shock and might have got a backlash. Some of the advisers are quite keen on nudge theory. Just hinting that measures might be needed led many people to work from home, start social distancing, and practice better hygiene.

Of course, such an apparent strategy could also be the government being reluctant to do anything and being pressured to do so reactively. But they do seem to be following the expert advice. Chris Whitty and Patrick Valance are distinguished scientists and physicians, so why would they go along with the pretence that the government was following their advice. Neil Ferguson, the senior author on the Imperial College study, also said the timing of the government's measures was about right.
 
So here in sunny Sri Lanka we’ve been put on curfew from 6pm tonight until 6am Monday morning. They had a three day public holiday Mon-Weds but now need to force everyone to stay indoors.
I suppose there are worse places to have to stay. ;)
We are now also the only guests in our small hotel until we leave next week. A bit like having our own private pool villa with staff. :cool:

Joking aside it’s all a bit worrying. There are so very few people here at the moment (all incoming flights regardless of origin now stopped) that it feels safer staying here than being in England right now. But if we do get ill...
 
Does anyone know how I can get on national television and talk out of my arse, I'm sure they must be running out of "experts" to give their opinion on the issue without any solid information, I've seen a few episodes of the Walking Dead and the Dustin Hoffman film Outbreak, I could easily help stoke up the panic in the public.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
So here in sunny Sri Lanka we’ve been put on curfew from 6pm tonight until 6am Monday morning. They had a three day public holiday Mon-Weds but now need to force everyone to stay indoors.
I suppose there are worse places to have to stay. ;)
We are now also the only guests in our small hotel until we leave next week. A bit like having our own private pool villa with staff. :cool:

Joking aside it’s all a bit worrying. There are so very few people here at the moment (all incoming flights regardless of origin now stopped) that it feels safer staying here than being in England right now. But if we do get ill...
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Can you get a flight out though?
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Can you get a flight out though?
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Yes. Sri Lankan Airlines are still operating flights to London daily. Obviously all subject to change but keeping an eye on things every few hours each day. I think the government would rather get all tourists out although I did hear today that one German airline (Lufthansa?) has ceased flights out so pax are stranded.
 
There is a difference in using experimental combinations of existing medicines to try and save the life of a vulnerable and infected patient in comparison to a global vaccine. The vaccine is minimum 18 months away. Trials for existing medicines for patients in critical condition are probably on-going. This stuff takes time and for good reason. Some of us are in the industry like @dingdongo and myself. We can tell you that even 18 months for a vaccine sounds mad and probably wrong.
 
LutonSpurs said:
There is a difference in using experimental combinations of existing medicines to try and save the life of a vulnerable and infected patient in comparison to a global vaccine. The vaccine is minimum 18 months away. Trials for existing medicines for patients in critical condition are probably on-going. This stuff takes time and for good reason. Some of us are in the industry like @dingdongo and myself. We can tell you that even 18 months for a vaccine sounds mad and probably wrong.
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People at PHE are talking like a mass trial could start by the summer for those most at risk - https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/19/uk-drive-develop-coronavirus-vaccine-science
 
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