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Jose Mourinho - SACKED

Bedfordspurs said:
No
I’m saying he, like every player has to a adapt and improve his game
He should use his time playing deeper to learn how to pass more than 10 yards for example
Would you play him instead of son?
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It's a long season and there are plenty of games to spread around and i would have no trouble choosing Alli over Son at points in the season - for me both players have exhibited similar levels of form when on top of their game and if anything Alli has shown himself a better partner for Kane.

For me it's not an either/or with those two anyway and i can fit them both in to several on paper first XIs that i would be happy to go in to most games with.
 
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billyiddo said:
It's a long season and there are plenty of games to spread around and i would have no trouble choosing Alli over Son at points in the season - for me both players have exhibited similar levels of form when on top of their game and if anything Alli has shown himself a better partner for Kane.

For me it's not an either/or with those two anyway and i can fit them both in to several on paper first XIs that i would be happy to go in to most games with.
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But that works in a system where we have a partner with Kane
But the signings were making so far make it look like we’re setting up for a 4-3-3 so there isn’t a partner
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I mean defending, attacking and passing
His defending is quite lazy. It’s better than Eriksens ever was but it’s still quite haphazard
Similarly he can’t pass a ball well over 10 yards
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No mate, his defending is excellent. He constantly denies passing opportunities to the opposition and cuts out threats before they exist due to smart positioning. If you expect him to be like Graham Roberts, then I understand your frustration?
 
Bedfordspurs said:
But that works in a system where we have a partner with Kane
But the signings were making so far make it look like we’re setting up for a 4-3-3 so there isn’t a partner
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I think you can have both Kane and Alli in a 3 with a more natural wide player (Son/Bergwijn) as long as there's lots of movement.
 
thfcsteff said:
No mate, his defending is excellent. He constantly denies passing opportunities to the opposition and cuts out threats before they exist due to smart positioning. If you expect him to be like Graham Roberts, then I understand your frustration?
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The equaliser vs Southampton was classic
Dele got caught ball watching and the man ran past him to score
The original mistake may have been Auriers but Dele was poor too
He gets passed around a lot IMO but it’s mainly when we’re being countered so it’s the hardest time to defend.

I’m a Dele fan but I think as the team progresses he may well be sacrificed for more suitable players. People will say Mou has his favourites and Dele is one but people also said we would have Matic signed up to play for him again forgetting that Mou sold him too. He is a manager that will sacrifice anyone if it gets him the results which is why he wins things
 
billyiddo said:
I think you can have both Kane and Alli in a 3 with a more natural wide player (Son/Bergwijn) as long as there's lots of movement.
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yeah it could work
Key is with a 4-3-3 that the attackers are açai or when we attack. They can’t come deep unless we have flying midfielders and FBs
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I mean defending, attacking and passing
His defending is quite lazy. It’s better than Eriksens ever was but it’s still quite haphazard
Similarly he can’t pass a ball well over 10 yards
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I don't get that comment? Eriksen was just about perfect defensively as one of the 3 in a 4-2-3-1. Every time his direct opponent went forward he would sprint to get back goal side of him. Granted he never thundered into a tackle and would bottle the 50-50s, but because of that he tended to always be goal side and slow down the opposition's attack, we would never concede a goal due to him being negligent or lazy with his tracking of an opponent's run. If I compare Eriksen to all of the other players who have played in the 3 in our 4-2-3-1, Eriksen's defensive contribution is greater. Eriksen's kms run per game stats were likely a direct result of his workrate to get back into defensive position when we turnover the ball.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
And play 2 midfielders?
Or not play Steve who he has signed
Or not play Kane?
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It's all about having a squad anyway. There will probably only be a handful of games where all of Kane, Son, Bergwijn, Moura and Dele will be fit.

If moving to a 4-3-3 then I agree with you that Dele is unlikely to get in ahead of Son, Kane and one of Bergwign/Moura. A 4-3-3 relies on having pace in the wide forward positions and Dele is certainly not blessed with pace. There is no reason though that Dele couldn't play in a midfield three. Him, Ndombele and Lo Celso could work rather well.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I don't get that comment? Eriksen was just about perfect defensively as one of the 3 in a 4-2-3-1. Every time his direct opponent went forward he would sprint to get back goal side of him. Granted he never thundered into a tackle and would bottle the 50-50s, but because of that he tended to always be goal side and slow down the opposition's attack, we would never concede a goal due to him being negligent or lazy with his tracking of an opponent's run. If I compare Eriksen to all of the other players who have played in the 3 in our 4-2-3-1, Eriksen's defensive contribution is greater. Eriksen's kms run per game stats were likely a direct result of his workrate to get back into defensive position when we turnover the ball.
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Eriksen running didn’t mean he was defending
Just meant he was moving
His running stats will be no worse this season in sure but he was shockingly bad with his defending and I don’t just mean his bottling of 70/30 challenges (in his favour)
Running around and taking space is all useful but not if a team passes around you. The reason Tatanga looks good is he defends on the front foot. He doesn’t let the opposition get comfortable and able to pass well. Eriksen and Dele they take up space I agree but the opposition then pass around them as they know they won’t tackle
 
Finney Is Back said:
It's all about having a squad anyway. There will probably only be a handful of games where all of Kane, Son, Bergwijn, Moura and Dele will be fit.

If moving to a 4-3-3 then I agree with you that Dele is unlikely to get in ahead of Son, Kane and one of Bergwign/Moura. A 4-3-3 relies on having pace in the wide forward positions and Dele is certainly not blessed with pace. There is no reason though that Dele couldn't play in a midfield three. Him, Ndombele and Lo Celso could work rather well.
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We will see
I don’t want Dele sold
They guy still has that something
Be nice if he can learn to pass better over medium distances
 
Finney Is Back said:
It's all about having a squad anyway. There will probably only be a handful of games where all of Kane, Son, Bergwijn, Moura and Dele will be fit.

If moving to a 4-3-3 then I agree with you that Dele is unlikely to get in ahead of Son, Kane and one of Bergwign/Moura. A 4-3-3 relies on having pace in the wide forward positions and Dele is certainly not blessed with pace. There is no reason though that Dele couldn't play in a midfield three. Him, Ndombele and Lo Celso could work rather well.
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Yeah we have a lot of midfield/attack options now ranging from a centre back Dier to the opposite Son... surely MouMou can devise a system. Be it a wonky 442 or 4132 or 42diamond or 316 or whatever
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Eriksen running didn’t mean he was defending
Just meant he was moving
His running stats will be no worse this season in sure but he was shockingly bad with his defending and I don’t just mean his bottling of 70/30 challenges (in his favour)
Running around and taking space is all useful but not if a team passes around you. The reason Tatanga looks good is he defends on the front foot. He doesn’t let the opposition get comfortable and able to pass well. Eriksen and Dele they take up space I agree but the opposition then pass around them as they know they won’t tackle
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Eriksen did more defending than any other player who has played in the 3 in our 4-2-3-1. Defending isn't just about going in for tackles.

Every week I watch us and see the opposing full back push forward and Son/Dele/Moura look at them pushing on and not make the sprint to go and cover that run, I never saw that from Eriksen. Get your shape right in defence, with every player taking care of his direct opponent and you tend to defend well, goals generally come from teams creating numerical overloads. I would much rather all of my attacking midfield players took this responsibility than do so when they choose but go in for the odd 50-50.
 
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Finney Is Back said:
Eriksen did more defending than any other player who has played in the 3 in our 4-2-3-1. Defending isn't just about going in for tackles.

Every week I watch us and see the opposing full back push forward and Son/Dele/Moura look at them pushing on and not make the sprint to go and cover that run, I never saw that from Eriksen. Get your shape right in defence, with every player taking care of his direct opponent and you tend to defend well, goals generally come from teams creating numerical overloads. I would much rather all of my attacking midfield players took this responsibility than do so when they choose but go in for the odd 50-50.
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He did loads of great work until he decided to down tools
The guy was world class IMO but you cannot argue that for 18 months he hasn’t put a shift in

I agree defending isn’t about tackling.. that’s a very old school view that fans love but in reality you always better intercepting the call as your then on the front foot. There’s a really interesting comment on the BBC podcast the other night about AWB... he goes to ground for every challenge and they think that’s a huge weakness. But fans love it (sorry to digress)
 
thfcsteff said:
No mate, his defending is excellent. He constantly denies passing opportunities to the opposition and cuts out threats before they exist due to smart positioning. If you expect him to be like Graham Roberts, then I understand your frustration?
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You think Dele's defending is excellent? I'm sorry mate, I disagree, his defending isn't even passable, Eriksen did way more defensively just with ground covered and reading the ball (he intercepted a lot more than people gave him credit for)

- Dele at his best makes runs beyond Kane, finds or makes space, can either finish or provide final pass and uses movement off the ball to disrupt the opposition
- Regular Dele is often giving the ball away (tries brick flicks/nutmegs at inappropriate times, runs into a wall of defenders and fudges up 10 yard passes), isn't a tackler (see Lo Celso & Lamela for AMs that tackle) and disappears for large parts of the game

Dele has always been a player that can have a brick 85 minutes and then pops up with something special, the problem is until we sort out our FBs, DM and midfield in general, plus have a way of scoring goals, passengers for 85 minutes is too much of a luxury.

Jose will chose, but I wouldn't play him against City ..
 
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