OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Sheffield United

[milo]

If you don't have FBs capable of playing the game you need, you really shouldn't set the team up to rely on the FBs. Probably a better idea to find an alternative that actually suits the players at your disposal

What does that look like and do we have the players for it?

 

[Bishop]

There is not a chance in hell we deliberately start slowly
Today we were hammered for 10 minutes
That cannot be a plan

If it's the plan it's a brick one.

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[Raziel]

We're a team in transition. Our fullbacks aren't good enough, Dier is still playing his way back into form, Kane looked knackered today and can no longer press like he did a couple of years back and N'Dombele struggled with the pace and physicality of the game today. Red Star gave us too much respect and allowed us to play.

You really want to do a man to man comparison to Sheffield? We were simply outrun, outplayed and tactically put to bed ..

To complain that you can beat a championship side because you don't have WC FB's is fudging reaching mate.

brick game, brick management, brick result .. 12th in the league with no sign of improving ..

 

[glasgowspur]

your definitely a brainy fella but sometimes it’s easy to over complicate something that really is quite simple.

The players begin 1st halves slow for a variety of reasons, I’m pretty sure this run of bad performances and results is in no way part of some grand scheme of poch which will finish with us riding into the sunset.

There has been too many changes from the manager, his core message has been lost, the players don’t fully believe in him anymore...more plausible reasons for why we start games slowly and in poor fashion, though our second halves aren’t much better, look at all the leads we have surrendered.

you can write algorithms and paragraphs galore but bottom line we’re brick, and most of us realise it now thank fudge.

time for mopo, to go go

I don't think we're brick, we are in a bad run.
As often happens at times like this small issues can mount up and fudge you.
Harry hasn't recovered from last week, normally not an issue play, but after the horror show of last weekend not ideal either.
Two senior cbs want out, fine play either dier sanchez or foyth. Dier is just returning and so is foyth.
I do think there was signs today, not many but some.
Before the game I would have been co tent with a draw, but the performance was poor.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

What does that look like and do we have the players for it?

At the risk of sounding like a cop out, that's really not my job.

Even so, as an example,we could sit in with a solid defensive line and play more on the break.

We have the players for a counter attacking set up.

Perhaps more of a 4141 with a solid defense and DM, and then an attacking 5 let off the hook?

Point is, regardless, it's on Poch to find solutions to create an effective team.

It is, imo, a flimflam thing to excuse him for playing a team that doesn't work because he doesn't have the players for his preference

 

[Raziel]

I don't think we're brick, we are in a bad run.
As often happens at times like this small issues can mount up and fudge you.
Harry hasn't recovered from last week, normally not an issue play, but after the horror show of last weekend not ideal either.
Two senior cbs want out, fine play either dier sanchez or foyth. Dier is just returning and so is foyth.
I do think there was signs today, not many but some.
Before the game I would have been co tent with a draw, but the performance was poor.

You would take a home draw with a promoted side? that is our ambition now?

 

[glasgowspur]

At the risk of sounding like a cop out, that's really not my job.

Even so, as an example,we could sit in with a solid defensive line and play more on the break.

We have the players for a counter attacking set up.

Perhaps more of a 4141 with a solid defense and DM, and then an attacking 5et off the hook?

Point is, regardless, it's on Poch to find solutions to create an effective team.

It is, imo, a flimflam thing to excuse him for playing a team that doesn't work because he doesn't have the players for his preference

We had a couple of really good breaks and stopped when we got to their box.
Still think some are adjusting to Eriksen not being there.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

You would take a home draw with a promoted side? that is our ambition now?

It's a realistic shout given our current form.

Shouldn't be the reality, but it is.

Speaks volumes for just how far we have slipped

 

[BrainOfLevy]

your definitely a brainy fella but sometimes it’s easy to over complicate something that really is quite simple.

The players begin 1st halves slow for a variety of reasons, I’m pretty sure this run of bad performances and results is in no way part of some grand scheme of poch which will finish with us riding into the sunset.

There has been too many changes from the manager, his core message has been lost, the players don’t fully believe in him anymore...more plausible reasons for why we start games slowly and in poor fashion, though our second halves aren’t much better, look at all the leads we have surrendered.

you can write algorithms and paragraphs galore but bottom line we’re brick, and most of us realise it now thank fudge.

time for mopo, to go go

As I said mate, I’ve talked about something very specific, tempo setting, which often comes from the coach. I am not making this up. I am not assuming things. Talk to top coaches about this thing specifically and see what they say.

Also, look at the passing options the players were taking. When they had relatively easy passes forward they often chose to hold. This is not because they are all ‘lacking confidence’, it is because they are tasked with controlling more than pushing. Poch does not need to gee them up to make them more comfortable making those passes, he simply needs to remove the handbreak, which he did. I’m not saying this meant the second half was great, I’m just saying we played at a quicker tempo.

note again, I am not saying it means we are guaranteed to win. I was responding to a poster making a specific point on the first half, and made my point on tempo setting.

 

[Bishop]

I can accept the draw even against a newly promoted side in good form. I can even take a loss (not happily but I'll accept it's not always our day) but today was bloody awful at no point did we have any semblance of control or loom like we had a workable plan.

Sheffield United are a good side but they aren't that bloody good, we looked like the promoted side playing a tough opponent at a higher level.

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[Nigeyman]

I don't think we're brick, we are in a bad run.
As often happens at times like this small issues can mount up and fudge you.
Harry hasn't recovered from last week, normally not an issue play, but after the horror show of last weekend not ideal either.
Two senior cbs want out, fine play either dier sanchez or foyth. Dier is just returning and so is foyth.
I do think there was signs today, not many but some.
Before the game I would have been co tent with a draw, but the performance was poor.

A bad run that’s gone on too long and gets more inexcusable when you think of the talent we have at our disposal.

your points are all fair but I’d say as sure as we all have bum holes, a new manager Of decent Ilk would quickly confirm to us that these flimsy players are definitely not playing 100 per cent for him.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

We had a couple of really good breaks and stopped when we got to their box.
Still think some are adjusting to Eriksen not being there.

I wouldn't see it that way. Just as easily a case of everyone being off form, or not properly prepared.

If we've been working on it all week, we shouldn't look so clueless imo. Nothing to do with Eriksen, they are all quality attackers in their own right

 

[Bishop]

@milo Motm VAR as it saved our blushes.

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[Bedfordspurs]

Have to say Le Celso looked brilliant even if we didn’t shine as a team

 

[BrainOfLevy]

There is not a chance in hell we deliberately start slowly
Today we were hammered for 10 minutes
That cannot be a plan

Of course that isn’t the plan!

bloody hell, I don’t think it’s a massively difficult concept. We can be brick playing fast or slow, and really good playing fast or slow. For ten minutes Sheff U has the territory, no doubt. Obviously we wouldn’t have liked that.

I’m not saying that a decision about tempo means we will play well. We still actually need to play well. But it is a very very very common coaching point (I promise you) to control your tempo, your pass selection etc at certain points in the game.

 

[milo]

At the risk of sounding like a cop out, that's really not my job.

Even so, as an example,we could sit in with a solid defensive line and play more on the break.

We have the players for a counter attacking set up.

Perhaps more of a 4141 with a solid defense and DM, and then an attacking 5 let off the hook?

Point is, regardless, it's on Poch to find solutions to create an effective team.

It is, imo, a flimflam thing to excuse him for playing a team that doesn't work because he doesn't have the players for his preference

I'm not trying to excuse anyone, I was curious as to whether you had something in mind.

I think that Poch has shown himself to be quite a pragmatic manager. I doubt that the way we ended up playing last season was what he wanted at the beginning of the season but was the best way to use his best performers. Unfortunately, we still haven't managed to move on from that. We are paying a heavy price for not starting to rebuild the team in summer 2018.

 

[StephenH]

Any way. Anyone fancy a pint....

just grabbed a cold one from the fridge!
will need few to wipe the memory of that crappy display

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

I'm not trying to excuse anyone, I was curious as to whether you had something in mind.

I think that Poch has shown himself to be quite a pragmatic manager. I doubt that the way we ended up playing last season was what he wanted at the beginning of the season but was the best way to use his best performers. Unfortunately, we still haven't managed to move on from that. We are paying a heavy price for not starting to rebuild the team in summer 2018.

Not really taking a pop at you, more the point in general.

I think if Poch was really on form he would be more pragmatic and find a sensible solution.

That he isn't really is my concern here

 

[stratnumberone]

Awful performance . Awful weather. Awful lot of fighting outside the Billy Nich. Awful traffic. Another weekend wasted. Thanks Spurs!!

by the way Paddy Power has 300-1 for Spurs to get relegated. Just saying.

 

[Bishop]

Of course that isn’t the plan!

bloody hell, I don’t think it’s a massively difficult concept. We can be brick playing fast or slow, and really good playing fast or slow. For ten minutes Sheff U has the territory, no doubt. Obviously we wouldn’t have liked that.

I’m not saying that a decision about tempo means we will play well. We still actually need to play well. But it is a very very very common coaching point (I promise you) to control your tempo, your pass selection etc at certain points in the game.

We never play well playing slowly. Our side needs tempo, it needs quick one touch football to draw the opponents out of position. That is what worked well for Poch up till now even despite our relatively poor CM (in terms of creativity), our tempo was always good and we could eventually push the opposition back until we camped in their half. This never happens with the slower play.

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