tractorspur
Carlo Cudicini
I thought this was a thread about Asian folk music
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Pakistani Fiddlers
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so we should just pretend its got nothing to do with race? Hide our heads in the sand and just say theyre rapists but nothing to do with race? 8 girls raped in a town that is 20% asian yet not one of those girls are asian? Seems to me those girls were targeted because they were vunureable and white or more importantly not muslim/pakistani. All you had to do was watch bbc earlier local asians basically saying it was their fault etc one went as far as saying takes 2 to tango
Sorry, where has anyone denied the men are asian and the girls are white ? what does it matter, the point is they raped young girls.
There probably arent many asian girls in that vulnerable situation. Plus the asian culture is that girls stay at home helping the family, they wouldnt be allowed into a situation where they are out late drinking. Plus it would be harder to get a muslim girl drunk as they would be against the drinking bit, due to religion. It would make sense they wouldnt do it in their own community as there is more chance of being caught. Surely this is obvious ?
PS it actually made me laugh out loud that you think in a sample of 8 (EIGHT) that it is relevant that 1.6 of them should have been asian based on the area they live in. Classic.
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Course it matters for the very reasons you've just stated which gives us reasons and clues to who victims are most likely to be but why would we want to know this i hear you cry? SO WE CAN STOP THIS HAPPENING AGAIN!! Really dont understand why people are so scared to state the fudging obvious sometimes. It seems to me as soon as those racist muppets from the edl protest again anything rightly or wrongly people go overboard to go against them. Do you think these rapes would have occured in a 100% asian town in britain? or let me guess you wouldnt have vunreable people in a town as such?
edgey-the-yid
Gheorge Popescu
I thought it was bout those cricket players
This is so typical of this type of discussion. Rambling with no real point. Its why its so easy for the racism accusation to be thrown about.
Who is or isnt stating what ? what on earth are you talking about ? We know who did it, we know who the victims are. I've highlighted above why the victims were white. What exactly is your point? I havent seen anyone deny asian men have targeted white girls (because its outside their community so less chance of being caught). White men go over to asia to abuse girls as they believe there is more chance of getting away with it.
But Sheikh (which im surprised at tbh) made a post that would be found as racist. He has stated muslims support pedos and think they can get away with anything. That isnt anything other than racist, he should be more careful putting that rubbish online. If i owned the site i would want that off of here asap.
And as for the paedophiles, yes different groups of people have different ways of going about it. But that isnt to say all white men are internet weirdos or all asian men are in gangs that target white girls. I've never seen anyone say that there are no kiddy fiddlers in the asian community.
Can you make a statement that you believe to be true, that isnt being said ?
Your direct question was why does the race issue come
Up? My answer simply was this case was definitely
To do with race(you explained why) and my personal reason for thinking it should be mentioned so perhaps people can see the tell tale signs in the future? Yet you just go on some uber the top get offenrded hissy fit? Do you genuinely have a problem with the race of the attackers and the victims being mentioned if it gives awareness to other people about what might be happening in their own communities etc
Up? My answer simply was this case was definitely
To do with race(you explained why) and my personal reason for thinking it should be mentioned so perhaps people can see the tell tale signs in the future? Yet you just go on some uber the top get offenrded hissy fit? Do you genuinely have a problem with the race of the attackers and the victims being mentioned if it gives awareness to other people about what might be happening in their own communities etc
Make the statement then. Tell me who hasnt said it ? or hid it ? Why are you asking me about race ? Ive acknowledged that in this case the men were asian and the girls were white. The news reported it as "a group of asian men".
This is what I am talking about, WHO exactly is covering this up ?
It seems like whenever there is a minority committing a crime, it has become fashionable for people to start spouting the "we are so PC" gonad*s, when the crime is often reported in the same way it would for a white man.
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No ones covering up but you kept asking why does it have to be mentioned I then told you why it has to be mentioned? Really don't get your problem? You asked why I answered? Haven't once said there's a coverup just put across why I think it's important for race to be mentioned didn't comment once on this thread until you asked that question
I was hoping it was clear I was talking about Pedophilia not being an asian problem. I made the comment that pedophilia is the issue, not race. We dont make a big deal about race when it is white men. Explanations for their behaviour is being offered based on their race, but if all races do it then you cant explain it using one particular race.
Go and read my posts, read them in context, tell me which part you have a problem with. When I said race doesnt have to come into it, I meant we dont have to make a song and dance about it for a specific race - and I mean on this forum. Pedos exist, all cultures have their own way of doing it. The police will be interested in the different techniques, but for a discussion on here we dont have to discuss is purely for 1 race as if it doesnt exist in others. And we dont have to pretend like people are saying there are no asian pedos.
Associating pedophilia with a specific race, when it happens with all types of people is dangerous because it could make young girls more trustworthy with a white man who is going to take advantage.
Your comment to me was "so we should just pretend its got nothing to do with race?" to which any non racist person would obviously say, 'no, kiddy fiddling has nothing to do with race'. Their attacks on white girls were not racially motivated, it was based on the fact they are paedophiles.
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edgey-the-yid
Gheorge Popescu
When will people realise Muslims are NOT a race!? And secondly, why would you want someones opinion off of your site because you dont agree with it? What happened to free speech and freedom of opinion? And thats not to say i agree with it either but annoys me when people say "you cant say that"... Why not If thats his opinion?
The bit in bold - I know what you mean, but its not relevant and pretty stupid, you know full well what I mean when I say racist and use his attack on religion as an example. He assumed they are muslims based on their race. He has no idea. Thats why its racism. Understand now ? (and in general attacking muslims would be considered racist, because its pretty clear what race a muslim would generally be).
And secondly, I'd want it off because even if I agreed - its probably not legal, thats why. That fits into the hate post category and probably shows an ignorance of their religion. The problem with the post is that it attacks all muslims in general, rather than just attacking these individuals who did the crime. Did any of the convicted even mention allah or religion ? SMN has just made a typical BNP style guess at their thoughts. It is like people who label all muslims as terrorists because some are.
And the other thing to point out (as if I really have to say whats wrong with it) is that SMN offered an explanation based on the pakistani race , as if there are no white paedos? Why cant the reason pakistani guys do it be the same reason white guys do it ? You simply cant go around saying that these Pakistani guys were like this because they have a religion with no morals, when you know full well people who arent of that religion also do it.
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edgey-the-yid
Gheorge Popescu
Fair point. But id also like to make the point/ask the question;
Why is it ok that a Pakistani Muslim can come out and say "there is a problem within the pakistani community" yet when any of us non-pakistani's suggest just that we get shouted down for making this a "race issue".
In this particular incident (and many more like it) it is a race issue. No one has come out and said there are only Pakistani peado grooming gangs tho, or that a pakistani peado is any different than any other race/nationality/religious peados. Just that they clearly operate in a different way and trying to get to the bottom of what drives these gangs to do this? If its a culture thing then race needs to be mentioned and not just an elephant in the room to be tiptoed around
Why is it ok that a Pakistani Muslim can come out and say "there is a problem within the pakistani community" yet when any of us non-pakistani's suggest just that we get shouted down for making this a "race issue".
In this particular incident (and many more like it) it is a race issue. No one has come out and said there are only Pakistani peado grooming gangs tho, or that a pakistani peado is any different than any other race/nationality/religious peados. Just that they clearly operate in a different way and trying to get to the bottom of what drives these gangs to do this? If its a culture thing then race needs to be mentioned and not just an elephant in the room to be tiptoed around
BushHillSpurs
Banned
Race matters, simply because this is England. And if anyone from abroad commits a crime they should be deported straight away. They have no right to be here.
EDIT: Just saw this article on the BBC. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18003609
What a surprise that they would rather pick this story up, rather than the one we are discussing.
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Enter the Pitbull
Luke Young
Not half bad to be fair!
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Kingdawson
Banned
Why does race even matter? When catholic priest #7577899 is caught fondling yet another young kid is the question about what race the victim is ever asked? No because its irrelevant. The fact is rapists and peodos should all be shot irrespective of what race their victim was.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Race shouldn't matter. Yet it somehow does.
This should not be so. We are all humans. Some of us are paragons, helping our fellow men and spreading a bit of good into the world. Most of us are ambivalent, not going out of our way to be actively good or actively evil, merely falling on either side of the 'nice/bastard' scale.
Some of us, however, are monsters, preying on the helpless, the victims, the abused. Why? Because, again, we are humans; we have our flaws, our imperfections, and our animalistic past still resonates extremely strongly, despite the vestiges of intelligence we impose upon it.
These distinctions do not focus on the colour of someone's skin or the GHod they purport to follow. They merely focus on how strong we are, as people, to control those dark impulses that occasionally rise, unwanted, from the depths of our inscrutable psyche.
Most of us are able to. Some of us aren't. And those people fully deserve the retribution the rest of civilized society imposes upon them.
But who those people are has very little to do with whether they're pakistani, muslim, white or catholic.
These men are South Asians. As, apparently, are the majority of 'street' groomers in the north.
But the priests who abused choirboys were white. As are the majority of offenders arrested for pedophilia-related offenses.
Does that say something about either race?
Enough about that, then. These men are evil, much more so than the drunken rapist or the emotional assaulter. Why? because they preyed on those who couldn't fight back, who couldn't think for themselves, who felt abandoned by the society they were born into. And they did it with forethought, and calculated malice.
For this, they deserve the worst British society gives them. Not for what they look like or for what GHod they worship.
This should not be so. We are all humans. Some of us are paragons, helping our fellow men and spreading a bit of good into the world. Most of us are ambivalent, not going out of our way to be actively good or actively evil, merely falling on either side of the 'nice/bastard' scale.
Some of us, however, are monsters, preying on the helpless, the victims, the abused. Why? Because, again, we are humans; we have our flaws, our imperfections, and our animalistic past still resonates extremely strongly, despite the vestiges of intelligence we impose upon it.
These distinctions do not focus on the colour of someone's skin or the GHod they purport to follow. They merely focus on how strong we are, as people, to control those dark impulses that occasionally rise, unwanted, from the depths of our inscrutable psyche.
Most of us are able to. Some of us aren't. And those people fully deserve the retribution the rest of civilized society imposes upon them.
But who those people are has very little to do with whether they're pakistani, muslim, white or catholic.
These men are South Asians. As, apparently, are the majority of 'street' groomers in the north.
But the priests who abused choirboys were white. As are the majority of offenders arrested for pedophilia-related offenses.
Does that say something about either race?
Enough about that, then. These men are evil, much more so than the drunken rapist or the emotional assaulter. Why? because they preyed on those who couldn't fight back, who couldn't think for themselves, who felt abandoned by the society they were born into. And they did it with forethought, and calculated malice.
For this, they deserve the worst British society gives them. Not for what they look like or for what GHod they worship.
Sheikh Ma Nuggets
Tony Parks
Gents, I stopped entertaining the troll known as 'golfball' yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeears ago.
Personally, I find his predictability so mind-numbingly boring - but each to their own, whatever floats ya boat.
Personally, I find his predictability so mind-numbingly boring - but each to their own, whatever floats ya boat.
He is a proper PC stormtrooper isn't he?