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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by SpurMeUp, 19 Feb 2019.

  1. ricky2tricky4city

    ricky2tricky4city Steve Carr

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    How long have you been off the job?
     
  2. scaramanga

    scaramanga Garth Crooks Staff Member

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    That's racial profiling you fudging racist!

    Typical police, all the same ;)
     
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  3. Robspur12

    Robspur12 Vedran Corluka

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    About 12 years.
     
  4. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Andy Thompson

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    The threat thing is not flim flam at all, there was every possibility she meant harm. Security were nowhere to be seen.

    The choice was simple, there is a person advancing on the chancellor with intent and with the possibility of something concealed in their bag/under their sash. Do you stop them or let them go?

    Imagine she had a knife in the bag, and he just watched her go by and stab the Chancellor? Its crazy to just say "Of course theres no threat, just call security and let her do what she wants for the time it takes them to arrive!"
     
  5. AuroRaman

    AuroRaman Gerry Armstrong

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    Clearly you haven't read @spurspinter1 's Lighthouse Family post in the music thread.
     
  6. the dza

    the dza Christian Ziege

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    There is a middle ground where he just gets up and stands in the way, rather than being a heavy-handed tw@t about it. Of course, if a Mike Tyson clone was walking towards the chancellor, they guy would have acted in the exact same way I'm sure, as his intention was only the heroic protection of the chancellor, and not throwing his weight around at riff-raff that shouldn't spoil his din dins.
     
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  7. scaramanga

    scaramanga Garth Crooks Staff Member

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    You've phrased that to make it sound as if there's nothing wrong with that. That's not correct - being removed slightly heavy handedly is the least someone should expect for crashing a good dinner.
     
  8. ricky2tricky4city

    ricky2tricky4city Steve Carr

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    We will never know.

    But in the meantime lets throw as much emotional opinionated flim flam into the discussion as possible.:rolleyes:
     
  9. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Andy Thompson

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    You just dont know, and are are clearly rather prejudiced about it.

    I dont understand how you can reach the conclusion that he views her as riff raff, that he was just throwing his weight around (presumably because he could, because it was a woman?) or that he wouldnt have done the same were it a male protester.

    I mean, thats a lot of added spice on your part isnt it?

    Probably doesnt help that he's a Tory. I wonder what your reaction would be were he a Labour MP?
     
  10. parklane1

    parklane1 Paul Stewart

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    Did she have a knife? no she did not, however what if she did and then ended up stabbing someone what would those who are saying he overreacted be saying then?. Sitting behind a computer screen and coming over all self-righteous about what he did is easy in hindsight.
     
  11. the dza

    the dza Christian Ziege

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    Yeah, none of that coming from people falling over themselves to say the guy did nothing wrong though. She could have had a rocket launcher in her purse!

    Award him the VC, clearly a hero. It's not enough to say "fair enough, he wanted to stop her going towards the chancellor but was heavy-handed and did it wrong." (Which is what I originally said). No that won't do; we all have to agree that the guy did absolutely nothing wrong and anyone who says different is just being self-righteous.

    I've given the benefit of the doubt to quite a few, but there are clearly some right-wing pr1cks posting here who don't wanna quite come out and say what they really believe. Phuck yourselves.
     
  12. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Chris Armstrong

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    And there it is, this it not even about left or right and yet you have made it so.

    Run out of arguments and you bring that into it. Shameful really
     
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    glasgowspur Pat van den Hauwe

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    Why far right? Is there no far left loonies?
    And why would a far right terrorist attack a tory shindig?

    There's three mistakes in this situation imho,

    1, burst in and protest, fine, but she should not have sought out and approached the main speaker. That is iffy, and makes it look like a possible attack.

    2. He shouldn't have been quite so 'enthusiastic' in his handling of her.

    3. The biggest issue for me though is the complete over reaction, most of it just to score points.

    It's all totally bizarre and a sad reflection of today's politics.
     
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    Grays_1890 Chris Armstrong

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    Bang on.........
     
  15. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Andy Thompson

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    And general public
     
  16. scaramanga

    scaramanga Garth Crooks Staff Member

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    Out of interest, seeing as you appear to consider the gender of the person involved to be more important than the actions and choices they made. Can I pose the following list of questions?

    1. What if she were a built to fudge woman who could easily have wiped the floor with Field?
    2. What if she were a teeny tiny man (say, Danny Rose size)?
    3. What if she were born a man, built like Mike Tyson and identified as a woman?
    4. If we were at war with a country that used female soldiers on the front line, would you suggest that our troops avoid aiming at female enemy combatants?

    Edit: This sounds like I'm trying to lead you into some kind of logic trap - that's genuinely not the case. I just want to gauge how far the gender split goes in your view.
     
  17. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Paul Walsh

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    Protest has been a cornerstone of democracy. If those on here who advocate unnecessary violence against peaceful protesters were in power we’d be living in a police state. People would be afraid to step out and make their point. Should elected officials listen to protesters or be free to beat them up without recourse?

    By stating the MP had no training you are effectively saying he made a mistake. Why is it then so hard to say “he made a mistake”? The MP in question did, why can’t posters in here? Why back unnecessary aggression against a peaceful protester?

    Were the police in Barcelona alright swinging their batons about against our fans, because they were too rowdy and ‘could have swung punches’? Violence has to have clear justification. Especially from elected members of our government. The reason this has become an issue in this thread is it leans toward a fascist approach to society - an un-gentlemanly society - and I don’t think anyone would want a fascist Britain would they?


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    glasgowspur Pat van den Hauwe

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    You are completely correct in what you about protests, just like some is should be able to protest or defend their stand without being label sexest, bigoted, racist, facist, tory, loony left or lentil eater etc.
    The rather quick way everything has to descend to labelling and naming calling is very depressing, does no one know how to debate in a civilised manner any more.
     
  19. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Paul Walsh

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    Abuse of power is the core of the issue. Size and gender are less important. Everyone’s seen a bully use their heft to dominate someone more slight. It’s never a good look, especially for an elected official.




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  20. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Chris Armstrong

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    What is clear is those that get upset on trivial things like the state of johnsons socks and the minimal level of acceptable force to over the top force are falling further behind in the real race...you can stick yo your Trump blimps whilst the big boys do the adult stuff....
     

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