1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Dear Guest, Please note that adult content is not permitted on this forum. We have had our Google ads disabled due to some posts that were found from some time ago. Please do not post adult content and if you see any already on the forum, please report the post so that we can deal with it. Thanks, scara
    Dismiss Notice

Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by SpurMeUp, 19 Feb 2019.

  1. the dza

    the dza Christian Ziege

    Joined:
    28 Jul 2013
    Messages:
    10,841
    Likes Received:
    7,534
    It was a peaceful protest at a political event, what punishment do you think fits the "crime"? The MP was wrong in the way he man-handled the woman, he could have handled it better. Nobody died, it's not the end of the world, but the MP deserves a bit of sh1t for his actions. In his position, he ought to have better judgement at least (being a nice person wouldn't go amiss either).
     
    ShipOfTheseus and SpurMeUp like this.
  2. scaramanga

    scaramanga Garth Crooks Staff Member

    Joined:
    13 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    26,068
    Likes Received:
    14,132
    Breaking in to the event and ruining a good meal? A few £k fine and a month or so locked up would do.

    Being a member of Greenpeace? Dump them in Australia.
     
    Robspur12 likes this.
  3. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Chris Armstrong

    Joined:
    1 Feb 2012
    Messages:
    5,257
    Likes Received:
    2,675
    So as a peaceful protest do you think they/she had a right to be there?

    You highlight crime in way that suggests you don't feel it was a crime so I would prefer to flip that question to you, what punishment do you think their actions fit?

    I would also ask you, if someone suggested to you that you go and protest a dinner which had some of the higher profile UK MPs and be the one that makes the way towards the front to approach the speaker would you do it without believing there would be any consequence? What do you think the consequence would be in the US if you did the same at a dinner full of congress?

    I'm not Tory and I've no time for the guy that escorted her out, however if anyone thinks you go to a dinner of high profile MPs with intentions to protest and do so without some consequence I would say there is elements of delusion.

    People peacefully break onto the pitch of football games to advertise and get man handled off, including women, I seem to remember the woman at the CL final wasn't exactly treated with care.
     
  4. the dza

    the dza Christian Ziege

    Joined:
    28 Jul 2013
    Messages:
    10,841
    Likes Received:
    7,534
    Yes, imo in a democracy, protesters have the right to peacefully protest political events, so no, I don't feel it was a crime, certainly nothing worthy of "punishment". She didn't go around the guy's house, the Mansion House speech given by the Chancellor is political. No punishment is necessary because they were peaceful, they can be moved along when they have made their point (which they were), I only question the way the MP moved her along, which was heavy handed, unneccesary and wasn't right at all.

    So again, what do you think should happen for the "crime" of peacefully protesting a political event?
     
    r-u-s-x and dawaxman like this.
  5. scaramanga

    scaramanga Garth Crooks Staff Member

    Joined:
    13 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    26,068
    Likes Received:
    14,132
    There's peacefully protesting an event as in standing outside. That should be crime free unless they disrupt my day/evening in which case a few weeks would be about right.

    People like that don't belong in places like Mansion House though, and protesting inside could and should carry a heavier penalty.
     
  6. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Chris Armstrong

    Joined:
    1 Feb 2012
    Messages:
    5,257
    Likes Received:
    2,675
    Breach of the peace
     
    scaramanga likes this.
  7. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Paul Stewart Staff Member

    Joined:
    14 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    19,080
    Likes Received:
    9,648
    No no NO, it is NOT “madness”, it is a reminder that thankfully, some people can see an absolute coward and clown shoe when presented with video evidence!

    So a protester got into their dining room. Wow. How terrible. In fact, SO fudging terrible that it is imperative she be shoved up against a pillar and frog-marched outside whilst being gripped by the neck and shoved along. Yeah. What a tremendous “man” he is. Tell you this, had it been ME he would’ve whimpered behind the bread basket and whined for security!

    She did NOT go to his home, so even introducing that into the discussion is deflection. And even if she had, find another fudging way to deal with it 6ft 2” mighty man!

    Imagine -just imagine- if he’d said to her he would talk for a few minutes. Not only would he have received positive press, he’d have handled the situation like a proper boss. Instead he showed what a giant fudging coward he was...

    I find it unbelievable that anyone can find any defence of his behaviour TBH.
     
    SpurMeUp and dawaxman like this.
  8. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Paul Stewart Staff Member

    Joined:
    14 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    19,080
    Likes Received:
    9,648
    “People like that”...I see.

    Nothing like the curation and potential further development of a police state, where people go where they’re told and are only heard when the powermongers want to hear them.

    I think “people like that” might be the ones who save us from drowning in the increasingly belligerent seas of tossers erupting in places like that.
     
    scaramanga likes this.
  9. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Paul Stewart Staff Member

    Joined:
    14 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    19,080
    Likes Received:
    9,648
    Sigh.
    And I suppose he answer is to bring back the birch???
    If you really want to debate why we are where we are I will happily engage. But it has nothing much to do with “soft” and everything to do with powerful people wrangling stupidity as well as lack of education and the lack of importance placed on values. Which again has nothing to do with “going soft”...
     
  10. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Paul Stewart Staff Member

    Joined:
    14 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    19,080
    Likes Received:
    9,648
    Twice in a week! Again, despite disagreeing vehemently, I cannot deny that the sheer vitriolic comedy here made me laugh (especially the ginger bit). Plus as wrong as it is, whenever the phrase “bingo wings” arises, I always chuckle far more than I should!
     
    scaramanga likes this.
  11. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Paul Stewart Staff Member

    Joined:
    14 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    19,080
    Likes Received:
    9,648
    Great insight.
    Can I ask if you believe that the only logical way to stay afloat in a post-Brexit world would be to become a nation where others can clean their dirty money and operate with a higher degree of impunity and protection?
     
  12. Rorschach

    Rorschach Terry Dyson

    Joined:
    14 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    24,845
    Likes Received:
    13,524
    Location:
    ...here
    I wonder will the Boris/Bannon vid that has surfaced (showing Boris lying again) have any effect on the outcome of the leadership contest. It doesn't seem to be getting a huge amount of airplay surprisingly.
     
  13. the dza

    the dza Christian Ziege

    Joined:
    28 Jul 2013
    Messages:
    10,841
    Likes Received:
    7,534
    I don't think people who were planning on voting for Johnson are going to be put off by that -- or put off by much else to be honest.
     
  14. Rorschach

    Rorschach Terry Dyson

    Joined:
    14 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    24,845
    Likes Received:
    13,524
    Location:
    ...here
    Fair point.

    Amazing that this turd has floated to the top. UK politics is in some state.
     
  15. scaramanga

    scaramanga Garth Crooks Staff Member

    Joined:
    13 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    26,068
    Likes Received:
    14,132
    There's no need for a police state, just people not ruining good meals for others. The guest lists and memberships for that kind of place are exclusive for a reason - it's really not very enjoyable when people like her are around.

    I'm sure nobody would complain if she turned up at the local Gregg's or JD Sports, so she should probably spend her time where she'd be more welcome.
     
    Robspur12 likes this.
  16. scaramanga

    scaramanga Garth Crooks Staff Member

    Joined:
    13 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    26,068
    Likes Received:
    14,132
    £500 a month though.....
     
  17. Rorschach

    Rorschach Terry Dyson

    Joined:
    14 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    24,845
    Likes Received:
    13,524
    Location:
    ...here
    I love the way you stay on message.
     
    scaramanga likes this.
  18. parklane1

    parklane1 Paul Stewart

    Joined:
    15 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    19,022
    Likes Received:
    13,531

    Listen mate i am not going into a debate about this with you ( no point), i can agree with the bolded bit but for the rest we will have to agree to disagree.
     
    thfcsteff likes this.
  19. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Paul Stewart Staff Member

    Joined:
    14 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    19,080
    Likes Received:
    9,648
    Consequences are one thing. Nobody is suggesting she couldn’t have expected to be removed. However the WAY she was removed was disgraceful, and if I knew any bloke who behaved like that towards a woman, words would most certainly be exchanged.
     
    dawaxman likes this.
  20. thfcsteff

    thfcsteff Paul Stewart Staff Member

    Joined:
    14 Jan 2012
    Messages:
    19,080
    Likes Received:
    9,648
    Consequences are one thing. Nobody is suggesting she couldn’t have expected to be removed. However the WAY she was removed was disgraceful, and if I knew any bloke who behaved like that towards a woman, words would most certainly be exchanged.
     

Share This Page