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OMT: Mighty Spurs vs Big Oil

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by alekaras, 30 Jan 2020.

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Man of the match

Poll closed 4 Feb 2020.
  1. Alderweireld

    6.0%
  2. Aurier

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Bergwijn

    8.4%
  4. Lloris

    25.3%
  5. Lo Celso

    24.1%
  6. Sanchez

    2.4%
  7. Tanganga

    12.0%
  8. Winks

    21.7%
  1. elltrev

    elltrev Neil Sullivan

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    To build on what Scaramanga said, see Michael Caley's xG map from this match:

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    You can see that there are chances from very similar positions that have very different xG - which shows that a number of other things are taken into account. (I'm not saying that means the model is perfect, but personally I think it's pretty decent and produces pretty meaningful stats overall).
     
  2. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Gary Stevens

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    Interesting that the shot form 1 heard out has less probability than the two in front of goal
     
  3. elltrev

    elltrev Neil Sullivan

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    I totally understand and agree with what you're saying - technically it's not the technology that's the issue, it's the human beings. But I think the more salient question is: how well is the VAR system performing overall (taking into account the tech and the humans that use it)? Or: what is the impact of introducing VAR into the game?

    To continue your analogy - if we ask: what was the impact of giving a Ferrari to your grandma to drive? The impact is that she smashes it into a tree. It doesn't really matter that it's her fault, not the car's - the end outcome is terrible, and that's what matters!
     
  4. SteveAWOL

    SteveAWOL Paul Robinson

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  5. scaramanga

    scaramanga Garth Crooks Staff Member

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    Probably a header.
     
  6. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Steve Carr

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    I think it could only be Aguero's chance at the near post?
     
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  7. scaramanga

    scaramanga Garth Crooks Staff Member

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    I don't remember it, will have to look at the highlights again
     
  8. Kandi1977

    Kandi1977 Steffen Freund

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    He had to wrap his foot around it to even connect with the ball. Alderweireld was covering the far corner from point blank range, Lloris had most of the rest of the goal covered. He only had a sliver of the goal, right next to the near post where he could score, making it a relatively low value xG, despite how close to the goal it was. Gundogan was 7 meters out with no GK, no defenders close, and only an outfield player on the line to beat. A much much bigger chance.
     
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  9. galeforce

    galeforce Ralph Coates

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    If you mean the one I think it’s because keepers are generally good at stopping near post attempts.
     
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  10. galeforce

    galeforce Ralph Coates

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    But the experience with the Ferrari will help her next time, when she takes it out next week she’ll be less likely to crash, eventually she’ll get to her dogging appointments more quickly and everyone involved wins.
     
  11. Raziel

    Raziel Frederic Kanoute

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    The media narrative on this game is frustrating to say the least.

    I've heard multiple pundits now say "Spurs were embarrassed" by City in the first half, and City created chances at will. What fudging game were these asshats watching?

    - Did City have lots of possession = yes
    - Did City put us under pressure = yes

    But, and this is the part nobody is giving credit to

    - Did we have a plan = yes
    - How many times did our defense/team actually lose our shape?
    - Was City even able to take one shot from range?
    - How effective was KDB or Aquero? (these guys will always get 1 or 2 chances in a game, but I don't think either had a great game)

    Facts is

    - This was the same plan used against Pool
    - It almost worked there, Lo Celso's chance was better than anything City came up with against us and our xG against Pool was actually higher than vs. City
    - It fudging worked, it's completely naive and ignorant to sit there and go "oh, spurs were just lucky"
     
  12. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Gary Stevens

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    City rely on KDB too much
    Mahrez went hiding and helped us massively with an Eriksen corner
    The two CMs are not creative and not great defensively for the reputations
    And they sorely sorely miss Bernardo Silva who has to play every game for them IMO
     
  13. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Pat van den Hauwe

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    Although I think the press are over egging it, City did have 18 shots on goal, if we've set out to defend that's a bit more than I'm comfortable with tbh.
     
  14. FatBloke

    FatBloke Ilie Dumitrescu

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    No matter how well Leicester are doing, I think it's fair to say that Liverpool and Emirates Marketing Project are by some distance the best teams in the Premier League. This season:

    Emirates Marketing Project A 2-2
    Can't really remember this one but 30 shots (10 on target) from them vs 3 (2) from us suggests a battering.

    Liverpool A 2-1
    Set up to defend, Kane scores, Eriksen fails miserably to defend our right flank, Poch is far too late to change anything, Liverpool score twice, we still had our chances to get something.

    Liverpool H 0-1
    Well, this one was pretty damn annoying. When we actually attacked Liverpool we caused them so many problems. Largely kept them quiet, went down by a single goal again.

    Emirates Marketing Project H 2-0
    We rode our luck again, but there was a lot of good defending on show.

    That's as good a record as we could hope, and we really could (should?) have taken something from both Liverpool games -- we certainly caused them more trouble than almost anyone else this season.

    Our problem hasn't been against the top teams, but rather the games against teams we should be beating every time. Mental fatigue, injuries, general malaise, whatever, but that should be easier to fix. I'm still hopeful of finishing top 4, and making it a little further in the CL. RB Liepzig's form seems to be dropping off a bit, while we're very much on the up.
     
  15. JerusalemMan

    JerusalemMan Mauricio Taricco

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    Hmm.
    If Hugo had to make 18 saves then absolutely.
    But our defenders pressurised them and so the 18 shots did not equate to 18 amazing chances.
     
  16. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Pat van den Hauwe

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    I disagree, 18 chances and from predominantly in the box as I recall is not good defending.
    City are exceptional and our defending is getting slowly better, but on the day I don't see that as particularly good.
     
  17. braineclipse

    braineclipse Chris Jones

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    It wasn't great at least, but I thought it was a pretty good defensive effort against a great team if you ignore the individual mistakes.

    We can of course discuss if individual mistakes should be ignored when discussing defensive performances. What I mean is that the plan, positioning, execution was quite good, but then there were individual moments that on another day would have been punished.

    Compared to the away game against City I think this was much better as they cut us open at will in that game.
     
  18. JerusalemMan

    JerusalemMan Mauricio Taricco

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    Doesn't that depend where the defending is located?
    If the aim was to prevent those opportunities even occuring then it is definitely not good.
    But if there was a focus on getting in the way, an acceptance that there would be chances but a resolve to make them very hard, that's a little less clear cut.
     
  19. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Pat van den Hauwe

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    I don't think it was individual mistakes as such, for me it's unfamiliarity with new methods and team mates. Once these have bedded in I expect us to be much tighter.
     
  20. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Pat van den Hauwe

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    I'm not going to judge too much on Sunday, city can cut most teams open and us being in transition this isn't the time to judge.
    Just as Raziel said he thinks the criticism in the press is harsh (which I agree with), I also think some of the praise is unjustified.
    I doubt the pljan was to allow city that many chance, buy Jose is rightly not going to come out and say that.
    He will milk this victory for all its worth, thank fudge, its what makes him the manager he is.
     

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