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Mauricio Pochettino

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by DubaiSpur, 27 May 2014.

  1. Modric THFC

    Modric THFC Johnny Morrison

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    It's not something I usually listen to but that time the guests were all people from within the football industry. The separate versions they all of what was happening at Spurs seemed to add up reliably.j
     
  2. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Chris Jones

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    I agree with your sentiment but that doesn’t account for Poch stubbornness

    also that system would have to have winks over sissoko in it to keep the ball
     
  3. billyiddo

    billyiddo Jimmy Cantrell Staff Member

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    My position remains the same - i back him until a time there's all out mutiny or relegation becomes a realistic outcome. You can refer back to this post after every game to save yourself the bother of asking me each time ;)

    What i will say is between the Watford and Brighton games there doesn't seem to be many players playing for the team/manager/eachother - which renders all tactical discussions irrelevant imo. something has to give one way or the other
     
  4. markysimmo

    markysimmo Johnny nice-tits

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    As mentioned before playing pretty much 8 defensive players at home is pathetic

    City would have played 6 attackers, Poch has never done this even at home against so called lower opposition
     
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    billyiddo Jimmy Cantrell Staff Member

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    I don't really understand what you're getting at with this logic tbqh just seems you're trying to avoid any contextualizing (even a word ?) of our situation. Everyone has a responsibility to do their bit to get us out of it and the manager is the one with more scope to cause change on the pitch than any other individual at the club - there has been absolutely nothing in my posts to suggest i think otherwise so please don't tell me what i am or are unable to grasp.
     
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  6. Raziel

    Raziel John Lacy

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    If anyone doesn't understand what is going on here, they need to watch our game and the Everton game back to back.

    - Both in same situation, underperforming clubs, manager under pressure, home game.

    In one game (not ours) the team turns out and from the beginning to the end goes at it, they are playing for their manager's job. In the other, fall behind and take about 80 mins to wake up.
     
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  7. lurker of old

    lurker of old Luke Young

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    All I can assume is that Levy wants Poch here for the long term and is willing to fall into the bottom half this season. It's a dangerous game that, because losing is a habit which is hard to break.
     
  8. Nigeyman

    Nigeyman Mauricio Taricco

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    What do you think this is fking hide and seek
    Standards have dropped right across the board, and the club I love is now on a downwards trajectory.

    like others have pointed out I’m genuinely fearful at how deeply Liverpool will hurt us next week.

    our season can still be saved in Levy’s eyes as to the all important top 4 prize, yet on current form we will be closer to the championship than the champions league.

    The players need a new voice in their ears, though many of them don’t seem to register any honour in playing for our club.

    it’s a sad state of affairs and very frustrating at the moment.
     
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    Nigeyman Mauricio Taricco

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    What do you think this is fking hide and seek
    Levy doesn’t fancy the compo payout and who can blame him, he probably didn’t factor it in at all, when planning this season’s finances.

    in fairness he, Poch, our players have all dropped the ball. We are collectively failing atm.
     
  10. Raziel

    Raziel John Lacy

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    I think Levy is giving Poch as much of a chance as he can.

    People mix up Levy's managing of players costs with the rest of club. Spurs has always paid manager well, and always been willing to fire managers (including payoff). I'm also quite sure Poch's contract will have a failing to perform clause.
     
  11. Mikey10

    Mikey10 Terry Fenwick

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    They have three different guests every week, so that’s a lot of people’s knowledge to write off!

    On the show in question the guests were all people/journalists in and around the club - and they had all heard exactly the same things.
     
  12. metalgear

    metalgear Paul Robinson

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    Your loyalty is admirable but don't let that be your weakness.

    There's a discussion about a young football coach who is suffering the same around here ....
    Sent from my SM-G975F using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app
     
  13. BrainOfLevy

    BrainOfLevy Vedran Corluka

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    Just think of it this way: do you think Poch’s personal preference would be to drop players he’s been keen to move out of the club for 2 years now? Players that clearly aren’t performing? I think someone who we know Poch to be would want them out of the team as quickly as possible.

    But, he is also a leader. He is pragmatic, and he isn’t going to be a Sherwood that slags the players off in the post game and he is going to look out for the players overall. I repeat the Eriksen example: he stays at Spurs, and the benefit should be that we have a good player in our squad, more depth. Or we bomb him out. Meaning we don’t get any money for him, or the benefit of having him around for depth. Is he being that disruptive that bombing him out is guaranteed to be better for us than having him around? The answer to that question is not a simple one.

    Similarly, with Toby, with Rose. These players form the core of the leadership in the squad and have done for a few years now. Bombing them out too soon when these players don’t have a route out the club just may accelerate the bad feeling, and we need the players. They are part of the squad. Playing them allows us to protect the condition of other players. Davies has been returning from injury so we have needed Rose. What if there were injuries to others? Do we just over promote youth when we have experienced players in the squad? If you bomb them too soon, you can’t bring them back when you may end up needing them. And you can’t just make all of them back ups when they are the leaders of this group, so they need to be involved.

    This will not be Poch’s ideal world. I expect he will bomb them the first chance he gets. I expect he will try to make January moves out as easy as possible. He waited until around November to do the same in his first season. But until then, he’s going to be pragmatic, and he’s going to use them, and it’s going to be about protecting the condition of the players that he does want to be here long term as much as anything, and not overusing youth players too soon.

    Either way, this season may be tough. I expect it to get better as we phase the new players in. But overall this is the difficulty of making no moves in or out over so many windows and storing these problems up. We will ultimately be fine, but I wish our fan base would appreciate the complex nuances of managing a squad. What seems obvious isn’t actually obvious. Of course he wants to bomb certain players out. He’s wanted to do it for years. This is not news for him.

    (Also, note - fans are insinuating he’s using AVB style language against them, which if you read his full quotes he isn’t actually doing at all.)
     
  14. BrainOfLevy

    BrainOfLevy Vedran Corluka

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    I also think a lot of people are saying ‘Levy knows the cost of missing out on the CL’ but I would venture that he hasn’t built our club in any sort of footing that means we need CL football. He prefers a sensible footing that allows him to be in charge of a strategy that isn’t predicated on results than can swing.

    I think this may be a tough season, certainly we will have had a tough couple of months at least. Does it mean the axe is going to fall - I’m not sure it does, not when the Manager has been the one predicting these problems for a while. Long term, Poch or another is going to have to conduct the surgery that this squad needs having gone so many windows without it. What guarantees that Allegri or Mourinho or Eddie Howe does any better with it?
     
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    ricky2tricky4city Michael Carrick

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    I case in point yesterday.

    People were like 'wtf' about bringing Sanchez off, mainly as hes one of the ones staying.

    But in the context of yesterday's game, if Poch wants to bring on another forward player for one of the CHs and the plan is to dominate possession in the second half and to add Sanchez was already on a yellow card....Sanchez is the pick every time. Jan and Toby are far superior ball players (not that Toby was showing much of it yesterday)
     
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    ricky2tricky4city Michael Carrick

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    I'd never use Everton as a yardstick, they're flaky as f.ck. Next week they'll be back to some unexplained pee poor performance just as they have many other weeks this season.

    Yesterday, was for them, probably a bit like our Palace win.
     
  17. Raziel

    Raziel John Lacy

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    Fair point, but to me watching the games

    - They had effort without a lot of quality (if they had our front 2/3 they would have won that game by 5+)
    - We have quality with coordination (I don't want to say effort because some are trying), we just don't seem to know what to do.
     
  18. Raziel

    Raziel John Lacy

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    Mate, as much as Poch is a decent manager, pretty much anyone could do better than a close to 50% lose ratio with this squad.
     
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    ricky2tricky4city Michael Carrick

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    Oh 400%. Desire was there from Everton and really put pressure on West Ham when they did and didn't have the ball. Much like Brighton wonderfully did to us at the Amex.

    Of course, that used to be us. Some of our crew are trying Winks, Sissoko, Lamela,Moura, sonny, Kane but it s not coordinated. And yes we end up with spells of possession but we're clueless what to do with it beyond basic (sideways) passing patterns. Are we playing with pressure now? Are we playing with no confidence? The NON trying of anything risky, elaborate, or plain sexy, all within reach of the players we have is worrying/telling.

    Of course, this is all backed up by the blancmanche like defending of the back 4/5, that goal yesterday was woeful...full of 'i just don't really care' thought patterns. If you're gonna be letting them in like that, you're gonna need to be firing in the other direction. And as I said above, we're not.
     
  20. AdamB

    AdamB Jack Jull

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    Problem is that some of this is bought on ourselves. We have two CBs who can speak to other clubs in c.10 weeks given that we haven't secured them on longer deals - they're hardly going to be motivated and dying for the cause. Why risk injury and thereby blow up their chances of a big fat contract with their next team? Add to that both are full backs yesterday were available to be sold last summer - again, not exactly a commitment from the club to them, so why should we expect them to be committed to us?

    It not really surprising to me that we're not playing as a tight-knit unit and come across as there being zero team spirit
     

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