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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by DubaiSpur, 27 May 2014.

  1. Raziel

    Raziel John Lacy

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    Excuses after excuses .. simple quote

    “When setting expectations, no matter what has been said or written, if substandard performance is accepted and no one is held accountable — if there are no consequences — that poor performance becomes the new standard. Therefore, leaders must enforce standards.”
     
  2. billyiddo

    billyiddo Jimmy Cantrell Staff Member

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    These are long serving players who don't deserve to be thrown under the bus even if their form has dropped off and they see their futures elsewhere.
     
  3. Spurs7891

    Spurs7891 Mauricio Taricco

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    Anything is possible at Spurs, especially under Levy. Pochettino may have bought us to CL final but he cannot expect any favour from Levy. Past achievement means nothing to Levy as he has sacked Jol who bought us 2 consecutive top 5 finishes, Ramos who won us the League Cup, Redknapp who bought us CL football and AVB who achieved record league points. Pochettino better do something to improve our current form instantly.
     
  4. ricky2tricky4city

    ricky2tricky4city Michael Carrick

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    Strictly depends where each person thinks the line is drawn in terms of the use of each term.......overhaul,refresh,rebuild and even those terms could be interchangeable.

    FWIW worth ....if from summer 2019 to summer 2020 my team faced changing the whole first choice back four and the DCM options in front of it and finally had to replace the most creative player in the team......and someone classed it as a rebuild or overhaul I wouldn't push back against it, as it looks like one moreso given the number of first team starters within those mentioned that are on their way.
     
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  5. fernadez

    fernadez Anthony Gardner

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    Less than a leg.
     
  6. billyiddo

    billyiddo Jimmy Cantrell Staff Member

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    How we got here most certainly is important when supporters are looking to apportion blame - how else do you do that without looking back at how we have arrived at this point? Ludicrous statement.
     
  7. BrainOfLevy

    BrainOfLevy Vedran Corluka

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    You’re saying Poch hasn’t shown himself to be a great Manager with more experienced players, but this is a team coming to the end of its cycle. I’m not saying the whole team needs to be replaced, I am saying though that we need a new dynamic, where new leaders need to emerge, and a new common purpose needs to be formed. I agree it’s not necessarily massive change, but it is a dynamic shift. To have key players not here for the long term, not with the same relentless focus on improvement and clear sightedness that Spurs is the right place for them, and those be the experienced players, it makes it harder.

    To me, get Toby, Rose, Eriksen and Wanyama out, and it helps with the dynamic shift. Maybe Aurier too. I think the mere act of doing that, promoting different players to more prominent roles, creating new leaders, that helps massively. That’s all I think we need. Getting to a situation where the whole club is aligned again, moving in that direction.
    Get Bruno Fernandes in, maybe Dybala if we’re lucky in January, and thinks look good.

    I go back to the idea that I think this is a broader, structural issue and we need to show patience and clarity of thought with our strategy. The idea that Poch, if we was a ‘better’ manager, would have done this or that given the exact same tools, is the idea that we as Spurs are never due a down cycle. We never have struggles, Poch as a good manager will constantly overachieve, in spite of challenges around players not leaving, injuries, relative lack of spending power, it’s all going to be consistent sunshine with no troubles? It doesn’t make sense. Both of these things can be true: Poch is a good Manager that is right for us, and Spurs can enter a tough period. It doesn’t mean we have to throw the strategy out and start again with someone else. We should clearly analyse why we think the problems are occurring, what is different from before and how we got success, and what we can do to get back there.

    History doesn’t show this ends one way. Fergie is a special example but he is a relevant example - given we have probably been the closest run to using the principles than made them successful in the modern era. When you are building over the long term, sometimes patience is required.

    And I just don’t agree that we were always going to progress this way under Levy. I think we should have maybe got the occasion 4th place perhaps over the last 5 years before the stadium, not the consistent top 3 finishes we got. That was Poch’s excellence combined with Levy’s excellence.

    He’s doing what he can to change the form, formations etc and changes in strategy to keep it interesting, but to me it comes down to the dynamic of the team right now. Everyone being on the same page works better than people with different agendas. He’s not playing Eriksen to protect resale value, it’s doing it to protect what we have of a fragile dynamic, as bombing him out too early could do more harm than good.
     
  8. Legohamster

    Legohamster Alf Ramsey

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    Losers meteorology I’m afraid.

    They are all there to win matches, if they are not performing they are not in 11.

    Plus the manager has already said it- a few times.
     
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  9. billyiddo

    billyiddo Jimmy Cantrell Staff Member

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    Im talking about what is said publically not what goes on behind closed doors or who gets picked/dropped.
     
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    Legohamster Alf Ramsey

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    Much the same thing.

    Certain players are taking the tinkle, we shouldn’t be protecting them.

    Call them out.

    And again.... he’s already done it so it makes him look weak.
     
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    billyiddo Jimmy Cantrell Staff Member

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    Being called out publically really is nothing like addressing something behind closed doors.

    Managers calling players out publically never ends well and mostly looks unprofessional- nevermind the fact we don't actually know if players are taking the tinkle or just having a collective slump. It wasn't so long ago you were criticising Poch for dropping Eriksen who many/most would say is the chief culprit where taking the tinkle is concerned so it's starting to feel like whatever action the manager takes at this point certain people will ensure they find fault with it.
     
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  12. Raziel

    Raziel John Lacy

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    Blame is the same as excuse .. reality is responsibility lies with the manager .. something you simply have not been able to grasp.

    What score does it need to be today for you to think different?
     
  13. metalgear

    metalgear Paul Robinson

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    What a sorry sight ...first half watford leading.
    Even if we win this, poch needs to go.
    He can only overachieve with young boys, so needs to stick with mid table teams.
    We need experience not someone who is experimenting.


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  14. Danishfurniturelover

    Danishfurniturelover Jack Jull

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    Get your bags and fcuk off to one of the clubs you keep talking about. Fcuking mug.

    The fact that some of you lot used to have a pop at Redknapp (a limited coach) but let this cnut get away with worse.

    Making Brighton and now Watford look good shows this guy is just a track suit manager he has no tactics.
     
  15. Jordinho

    Jordinho John White Staff Member

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    There are issues and some will take time to sort out, but I have zero confidence Poch can do that.
     
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    monkeybarry Alf Ramsey

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    Hardly a response is it
    Sometimes you just need a change
     
  17. DeanoAustin

    DeanoAustin Sergei Rebrov

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    This guy is a one trick pony and he acts like a child when he gets found out. He's completely done here and we are just prolonging the inevitable. He's not a leader at all.

    If he had the sort of integrity he talks about, he'd resign. But he won't. He'll wait for the payoff. Which is not to say he isn't entitled to it or I wouldn't do the same but itll further show him up for the charlatan he is.

    He did some great things here but he's just a one trick pony with an impressive trick that gets exposed after a while. Time to go.
     
  18. Bishop

    Bishop Radek Cerny

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    Why does he hate creative midfielders?

    What did they do to him in his career where he thinks a midfield of Sissoko and Winks is acceptable?

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  19. Jon

    Jon Terry Venables

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    Has he gone yet?
     
  20. the goat

    the goat Stuart Nethercott

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    no not yet, Levy won't let him go until RM or PSG come in for him and we get a payoff
     
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