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Would you fly on a Boeing 737 Max?

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by SpurMeUp, 12 Mar 2019.

  1. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Johnny Morrison

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    • Two 737 Max crashes with some similarities in the last 5 months. Everyone onboard died.

    • Boeing rushed out the 737 Max in response to Airbus coming up with a fuel effecient A320 plane.

    • In a rush for profit Boeing managed to find a way around re-training pilots to fly the new model. If you'd flown a 737 you don't need costly re-training, which is possibly a key component to both crashes - certainally the lion air flight in Indonesia. What caused that crash?

    • The Max was too clever for its own good. With two massive engines further forward, if the plane climbed too sharply the engines could stall. So Boeing wrote software that would automatically bring the planes nose down if it pitched upwards. This software is linked to a sensor on the exterior of the plane which somehow determines ascent/pitch. The Lion Air sensor was apparently not serviced and was faulty.



    • If the pilot/s had been trained on emergency proceedures - on how to overide the software 'correcting' the pitch due to a faulty sensor would these people be alive today?

    • Some airlines have grounded all their 737 Max planes but most are keeping them in service.

    Would you fly in one, or take a different flight?
     
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  2. scaramanga

    scaramanga David Ginola Staff Member

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    Yes, of course I would.
     
  3. djp82

    djp82 Gus Poyet

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    It’s a bit of concern , No probably not at the minute is the answer to that. They’ve been grounded by some airlines so says to me there’s clearly an issue. Two spanking new planes in accidents just after take off in the space of five months is worrying.

    They are widely used in the USA with no problems as of yet tho .

    Probably more dangerous getting on some of the brick heaps Ryan Air fly about in. Got on one couple years back looked like they’d dragged it out the scrap yard.
     
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  4. ricky2tricky4city

    ricky2tricky4city Chris Armstrong

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    If it's heading to Grantley Adams International airport......YES!
     
  5. LemonadeMoney

    LemonadeMoney Nick Barmby

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    Who is grounding planes?
    Ethiopian Airlines
    The carrier has grounded the remaining four Boeing 737 MAX 8s in its fleet until further notice, as an "extra safety precaution."
    China
    Chinese airlines including the "Big Three" Chinese carriers -- China Airlines, China Eastern and China Southern -- operate 97 of the planes, according to state-run media. In the wake of Sunday's crash, the country's Civil Aviation Administration ordered all domestic 737 MAX 8 jets out of the air by 6 p.m. local time Monday, citing "zero tolerance for safety hazards."
    Singapore
    The Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore announced Tuesday it was "temporarily suspending operation of all variants of the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft into and out of Singapore in light of two fatal accidents involving Boeing 737 MAX aircraft in less than five months."
    The suspension will start at 2 p.m. Singapore time and effect SilkAir, a regional carrier in the city-state, and the following airlines that fly into Singapore: China Southern Airlines, Garuda Indonesia, Shandong Airlines and Thai Lion Air.
    SilkAir
    previously said it had no plans to ground its six 737 MAX 8 aircraft, which operate between Bengaluru, Cairns, Chongqing, Darwin, Hiroshima, Hyderabad, Kathmandu, Kuala Lumpur, Penang, Phnom Penh, Phuket and Wuhan.
    Indonesia
    Indonesia temporarily grounded all Boeing 737 MAX 8 planes operated by its airlines on Monday, pending further inspections.
    In a statement, the Directorate General of Air Transportation at the Ministry of Transportation said the policy would "ensure that aircraft operating in Indonesia are in an airworthy condition."
    Australia
    Australia's Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) has temporarily suspended airlines from flying all Boeing 737 MAX jets to or from Australia.
    "This is a temporary suspension while we wait for more information to review the safety risks of continued operations of the Boeing 737 MAX to and from Australia," CASA CEO Shane Carmody said.
    No Australian airlines fly the 737 MAX, CASA said, but two foreign carriers had previously flown the aircraft into the country -- Singapore's SilkAir and Fiji Airways. SilkAir has been temporarily barred from flying any 737 MAX out of Singapore by the city-state's aviation authority, though Fiji Airways said Tuesday that it would continue flying the two 737 MAX 8s in its fleet.
    CASA said in a statement it was working with Fiji Airways to minimize disruptions to passengers.
    Aeromexico
    The Mexican carrier is temporarily suspending the use of its six 737 MAX 8 planes "until more thorough information on the investigation of flight ET302 accident can be provided."
    Aerolíneas Argentinas
    The Argentine airline said it would temporarily suspend commercial operations for the five 737 MAX 8s in its fleet.
    Cayman Airways
    Cayman Airways operates two new Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft. It said Monday it was grounding both planes "until more information is received."
    Comair Airways
    The South African carrier said it would remove the 737 MAX 8 from its flight schedule, despite the fact that "neither regulatory authorities nor the manufacturer has required it to do so."
    "While Comair has done extensive preparatory work prior to the introduction of the first 737 MAX 8 into its fleet and remains confident in the inherent safety of the aircraft, it has decided temporarily not to schedule the aircraft while it consults with other operators, Boeing and technical experts," the airline said in a statement.
    Eastar Jet
    South Korean low-cost carrier Eastar Jet said it would temporarily ground its two 737 MAX 8 planes starting Wednesday to "dispel the worry and concern of the people."
    The company said operations would resume when there were no more safety concerns.

    Who is still flying Boeing 737 MAX 8s?
    American Airlines
    The US carrier has 24 737 MAX 8 aircraft in its fleet and says it has no plans to ground them at the moment.
    In a statement, American Airlines expressed its condolences to the families of those killed, and said it would continue to monitor the investigation into the crash.
    "At this time there are no facts on the cause of the accident other than news reports," read the statement. "We have full confidence in the aircraft and our crew members, who are the best and most experienced in the industry."
    Southwest Airlines
    The US carrier has 34 of the aircraft in its fleet and says it does not plan to change its operational policies or procedures.
    "We remain confident in the safety and airworthiness of our fleet of more than 750 Boeing aircraft," read a statement from the airline.
    Norwegian Airlines
    Norwegian will continue to operate its 18 737 MAX 8 aircraft as normal, according to Tomas Hesthammer, Director of Flight Operations.
    "We are in close dialogue with Boeing and follow their and the aviation authorities' instructions and recommendations," Hesthammer said in a statement. "Our passengers' safety is and will always be our top priority."
    TUI
    TUI Aviation has 15 of the aircraft in its fleet.
    "We do not comment on any speculation and we are, as always, in close contact with the manufacturer," reads a statement from the airline. "We have no indication that we can't operate our 737 MAX in a safe way like we do with all other planes in our network."
    Fiji Airways
    Fiji Airways currently flies two 737 MAX 8 aircraft and has three on order for 2019. "We have full confidence in the airworthiness of our entire fleet," the airline said in a statement.
    Icelandair
    Icelandair says it flies three Boeing 737 MAX aircraft, which have not been involved in any incidents.
    "At this stage, Icelandair is not taking any action following recent events, but we will, however, follow any developments closely and continue to do all we can to ensure safety on board now as before," the airline said in a statement.
    Flydubai
    Flydubai operates 11 Boeing 737 MAX 8s, and says it "remain(s) confident in the airworthiness of our fleet."
    "We are monitoring the situation and continue to be in touch with Boeing... The safety of our passengers and crew is our first priority," the airline said in a statement.
    "The aviation sector is highly regulated and Flydubai rigorously adheres to all regulations," it added.
    WestJet
    Canadian airline WestJet says it has 13 MAX 8 aircraft and a total of 121 Boeing 737s in its fleet.
    "We are monitoring the situation closely and will not speculate on the cause of the incident," the airline said in a statement. "WestJet remains confident in the safety of our Boeing 737 fleet including our 13 MAX-8 aircraft first introduced in 2017."
    GOL Linhas Aéreas
    The Brazilian airline has seven 737 MAX 8s in its fleet, part of a total 121 Boeing aircraft.
    "GOL continues to follow the investigations and maintains close contact with Boeing for clarification," said the airline in a statement.
    "The company reiterates confidence in the safety of its fleet."

    What other aviation authorities are saying
    Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)
    On Sunday, the US aviation authority said it would help Ethiopian authorities investigate the crash.
    Following the Lion Air crash involving a 737 MAX 8 in October, the FAA said it had "sent out an emergency Airworthiness Directive to advise carriers and pilots on training to disengage the aircraft's automated controls if there are anomalies."
    UK Civil Aviation Authority
    "There are currently five Boeing 737 Max 8 aircraft registered and operational in the United Kingdom," a spokesperson for the UK Civil Aviation Authority said, adding that a sixth aircraft is due to enter operation this week.
    "The US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is responsible for certifying all Boeing 737 Max 8 models and it is the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) that validates this certification across the EU, including the UK," said the spokesperson, who said that the CAA is working closely with the EASA.
    European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA)
    EASA said it was monitoring the crash investigation closely.
    "We will immediately publish any further information on our website as the necessary information is available," the agency said in a statement.
    Indian Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA)
    India's aviation authority said Tuesday it would not ground the 737 MAX 8s operating in the country. However it did announce a series of interim safety measures required of airlines operating the specific Boeing aircraft.
    According to the DGCA, only two Indian carriers have 737 MAX 8s in their fleets -- Spicejet has 12 and Jet Airways has five.
     
  6. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Jonathan Woodgate

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    There have been many crashes due to the external sensors reacting incorrectly to what was going on.

    Was it the huge Japan crash where they contradicted the surroundings.
     
  7. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Johnny Morrison

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    The CAA don’t seem to agree.

    The UK's Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) has banned the Boeing 737 MAX from operating in or over UK airspace "as a precautionary measure".


    Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app
     
  8. scaramanga

    scaramanga David Ginola Staff Member

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    Cocaine is also banned because people think they know better than me what risks I should and shouldn't take. As is driving at an acceptable speed and, often telling civil servants what I really think of them.
     
  9. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Johnny Morrison

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    If you can do all three at one - respect.
     
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  10. scaramanga

    scaramanga David Ginola Staff Member

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    :D

    If I'm doing the first two I'll have better things to do with my time than the third!
     
  11. 90291Spur

    90291Spur Steve Carr

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    With Sissoko as the pilot?
     
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  12. scaramanga

    scaramanga David Ginola Staff Member

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    It would be predictable and safe for 90% of the flight and then he'd Sissoko all over the place and we'd end up in a mountain.
     
  13. Grays_1890

    Grays_1890 Jonathan Woodgate

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    No one knows better than me on that one ;)
     
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    90291Spur Steve Carr

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    In a mountain in an evil bond villain lair kind of way?
     
  15. monkeybarry

    monkeybarry Vedran Corluka

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    Pretty sure I did with Norwegian a few weeks ago.
     
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    monkeybarry Vedran Corluka

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    scaramanga David Ginola Staff Member

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    Did you survive?
     
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    monkeybarry Vedran Corluka

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    I'm not sure.
    But I am now seeing Polar Bears and Black Smoke.
     
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    SpurMeUp Johnny Morrison

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    Stay off Scara's cocaine and hashish.
     
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    monkeybarry Vedran Corluka

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