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Winning trophies or Champiosn League football?
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clevelandspur
Pascal Chimbonda
Don't see how these should be exclusive options but if I were to choose it is easy trophies all day long. Finishing 3rd or 4th doesn't get us a trophy.
Also funny how the overwhelming majority say trophies but the minority are far more vocal in the posts below
Also funny how the overwhelming majority say trophies but the minority are far more vocal in the posts below
chicken_badge
Gudni Bergsson
Good point.
I agree that they don't have to be exclusive. However, there is the same dilemma we have every February, and will have again next February. Do we put our effort into the Europa League in an attempt to win a trophy and field THE first team, prepared to rest the likes of Eriksen at the weekend if he is shattered? Or do we treat it half-hearted and concentrate on the game against Liverpool on the Sunday? That's where the debate becomes very real.
Craig_J
Eidur Gudjohnsen
Hopefully next season with Champions League qualification up for grabs that debate will clam down a bit. I personally think we have more of a chance of winning the Europa League than finishing 4th.
SteveAWOL
Andy Thompson
Exactly. As enjoyable as winning a League Cup once a decade is, surely the ultimate aim for Spurs is a return to the glory days of the 1960s and 1980s when we were the kings of the FA Cup, standard bearers for English football in European competition and regularly finished in the top 4 ahead of ARSEnal.
Perhaps if we'd retained the League Cup in 2009 that might have been the spark for another era of glory at our club but IMHO a bigger failure was the disastrous end to the "mind the gap" campaign. If we'd got that CL spot ahead of ARSEnal then Modric and Bale might have hung around a bit longer leaving Spurs in a much better position to finally win another FA Cup, that victory in 1991 being by far the most glorious highlight of my quarter century following Tottenham.
spurs' magna carter
Ronnie Rosenthal
Since Munich I have felt that if we had won back to back league cups and the FA Cup in 2010 then that most painful of slip ups in 2012 would never have happened due to the team bearing a winners mentality.
I still think that even if we had finished 3rd and won the cup that year the others would've just pushed us aside with their money, just look at Liverpool, we finished above them four years running yet they still out sent their way to over take us, again.
2012 wasn't the right time to do what we wanted, one day we may thank our lucky stars that it happened when it did.
spurs' magna carter
Ronnie Rosenthal
You're walking out of the ground after today's result and someone comes up to you offering one of the following:
A) Finish 4th
B) Win a domestic trophy but finish 13th
C) Finish 5th with construction of the stadium beginning at the end of the season.
D) The whole entire French Air Force flies into the Death Star down the road.
Which one would you choose?
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A) Finish 4th
B) Win a domestic trophy but finish 13th
C) Finish 5th with construction of the stadium beginning at the end of the season.
D) The whole entire French Air Force flies into the Death Star down the road.
Which one would you choose?
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SteveAWOL
Andy Thompson
I'd probably go for option C right now.
As with the extra £50m per year revenue that a new stadium will bring in, Spurs will finally be able to compete financially with the Top 4 teams and sign some proven top quality players who can instil a winning mentality at our club. Rather than having to play moneyball in the hope that one of these punts comes good eventually.
As with the extra £50m per year revenue that a new stadium will bring in, Spurs will finally be able to compete financially with the Top 4 teams and sign some proven top quality players who can instil a winning mentality at our club. Rather than having to play moneyball in the hope that one of these punts comes good eventually.
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Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
B
The game is about the glory. We're supposed to be fans, not accountants.
SteveAWOL
Andy Thompson
Guess it depends upon what you consider glory.
If you're content with the quick fix of a League Cup once a decade whilst Spurs languish in mid table then guess you must be longing for a return of the glory days of Graham and Ramos.
Personally I want to see Spurs become a force to be reckoned with again, like we were under Nicholson and Burkinshaw, which is only likely to happen when we can afford better quality players.
Craig_J
Eidur Gudjohnsen
Thing is a trophy is what the game is all about (for us fans anyway) but the money = better players = trophies on a consistent basis. I don't think fans who choose any other option are saying they'd rather we be rich and trophyless than winning them. They're just acknowledging that having more money makes it much more likely that we will win more in the long haul.
Where's the option for wanting to win the CL?
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
The 2008 cup win was the 2nd best football moment in my life after 1991. Nothing gets close to the euphoria of being the best team in the land in that competition. Wenger's favourite '3rd best losers' plaque means nothing
A re Nicholson and Burkinshaw - I think you need to take a closer look at their league records:
Burkinshaw - 22nd,3rd (Div 2), 11th, 14th, 10th, 4th, 4th, 8th - ave D1 position = 10.4
Nicholson - 18th, 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, 3rd, 7th, 6th, 11th, 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th - ave position = 6.25
We've always been a cup team
Buying your way to success isn't rewarding - it's hollow. I'd much rather we built our way there through organic growth - Dortmund style.
The CL is so overrated. I don’t think I've watched one match of it since our game against Madrid. It's just like the opera. People pretend it's good because of social expectations (or Sky says so), but really it's a load of *******s - proper emperor's new clothes stuff.
spurs' magna carter
Ronnie Rosenthal
I meant for this season only
SteveAWOL
Andy Thompson
Well we used to be a cup team, back when Burskinshaw lead Spurs to 2 FA Cups plus a UEFA Cup in the space of 4 seasons or when Sir Bill lead us to 8 trophies in 12 years.
Our haul of 2 Worthington / Carling Cups over the past 23 seasons (neither of which can compare to the ecstasy of winning the 1991 FA Cup for me) means Spurs have been no more of a 'cup team' than Leicester City over the past 2 decades.
I'm not suggesting that Spurs should become some oil billionaire' plaything but I'd like to see us move into a stadium which maximises revenues (like Dortmund) asap so that we are no longer so hamstrung financially compared to the likes of the Scum.
Whilst the new stadium probably won't bring in enough cash to allow Spurs to start setting British transfer records again (like we did with the signing of Greaves, Peters, Waddle and Gazza) at least with an extra £50m a year in the coffers we might finally be able to assemble a squad that is capable of re-establishing Spurs reputation as cup specialists [-o<
