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Why don't we produce defensive midfielders

Danishfurniturelover

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How come we don't produce good defensive midfielders in England.

I am watching France v Germany. France particularly produce good defensive midfielders but though in England we are producing better players we don't do defensive midfielders.
 
Same reason we don't produce top quality creative players, easier and quicker to buy foreign players.

with long term planning the academy is supposed to provide options over time.

this is the other footballing issue that we need to look at - a dearth of talents coming through the system.

its hard to judge young talents but I think we lost something when we lost McDermott and did not replace him adequately. Under McDermott we saw likes of Harry Kane, Harry Winks, Danny Rose and Andros Townsend get effective first team introductions.

Investing in the football development architecture is a dark art and if Levy and henchmen can't get the first team right, I don't expect them to do better with youth.

Levy speaks well here about how the vision post-McDermott :
https://www.football.london/tottenh...m-academy-restructure-john-mcdermott-18762984

“We have taken considerable time to review our staffing structure over the past few months following John McDermott’s departure to join the FA, in order to clearly identify roles and responsibilities in each area of the Academy moving forward," he said.

“We have a proud record of producing Academy players that can step up to our First Team and we believe Dean is the right person to ensure our player development principles and philosophies – intrinsically linked to our identity as a Club – will continue to evolve and be implemented as we move forward into the new season and beyond.
Not exactly close to the vision right now but it seems we have taken a cheaper option with internal succession.
 
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with long term planning the academy is supposed to provide options over time.

this is the other footballing issue that we need to look at - a dearth of talents coming through the system.

its hard to judge young talents but I think we lost something when we lost McDermott and did not replace him adequately. Under McDermott we saw likes of Harry Kane, Harry Winks, Danny Rose and Andros Townsend get effective first team introductions.

Investing in the football development architecture is a dark art and if Levy and henchmen can't get the first team right, I don't expect them to do better with youth.

Levy speaks well here about how the vision post-McDermott :
https://www.football.london/tottenh...m-academy-restructure-john-mcdermott-18762984

“We have taken considerable time to review our staffing structure over the past few months following John McDermott’s departure to join the FA, in order to clearly identify roles and responsibilities in each area of the Academy moving forward," he said.

“We have a proud record of producing Academy players that can step up to our First Team and we believe Dean is the right person to ensure our player development principles and philosophies – intrinsically linked to our identity as a Club – will continue to evolve and be implemented as we move forward into the new season and beyond.
Not exactly close to the vision right now but it seems we have taken a cheaper option with internal succession.

How much does Dean Rastrick earn?
 
with long term planning the academy is supposed to provide options over time.

this is the other footballing issue that we need to look at - a dearth of talents coming through the system.

its hard to judge young talents but I think we lost something when we lost McDermott and did not replace him adequately. Under McDermott we saw likes of Harry Kane, Harry Winks, Danny Rose and Andros Townsend get effective first team introductions.

Investing in the football development architecture is a dark art and if Levy and henchmen can't get the first team right, I don't expect them to do better with youth.

Levy speaks well here about how the vision post-McDermott :
https://www.football.london/tottenh...m-academy-restructure-john-mcdermott-18762984

“We have taken considerable time to review our staffing structure over the past few months following John McDermott’s departure to join the FA, in order to clearly identify roles and responsibilities in each area of the Academy moving forward," he said.

“We have a proud record of producing Academy players that can step up to our First Team and we believe Dean is the right person to ensure our player development principles and philosophies – intrinsically linked to our identity as a Club – will continue to evolve and be implemented as we move forward into the new season and beyond.
Not exactly close to the vision right now but it seems we have taken a cheaper option with internal succession.

I'm sure Spurs would like to produce home grown talent, but I thought the question was aimed at England. Most teams in the top two division have far too many imported players, no problem with top players coming over but many are just average. At Spurs weve had several young players who could have developed into holding midfield players but they weren't quite good enough.
 
How come we don't produce good defensive midfielders in England.

I am watching France v Germany. France particularly produce good defensive midfielders but though in England we are producing better players we don't do defensive midfielders.

I'd say a bigger question is why so many 'big' countries aren't producing strikers like they used to.

I think Kalvan Phillips is typical of the all-action midfielder many teams are producing tese days rather than an out-and-out 'defensive one. I think Holland' De Jong is a great example of this.

I don't think England do too badly on the cm front tbh
 
I'd say a bigger question is why so many 'big' countries aren't producing strikers like they used to.

I think Kalvan Phillips is typical of the all-action midfielder many teams are producing tese days rather than an out-and-out 'defensive one. I think Holland' De Jong is a great example of this.

I don't think England do too badly on the cm front tbh
The change to woe attackers has hurt the strikers role
 
I'd say a bigger question is why so many 'big' countries aren't producing strikers like they used to.

I think Kalvan Phillips is typical of the all-action midfielder many teams are producing tese days rather than an out-and-out 'defensive one. I think Holland' De Jong is a great example of this.

I don't think England do too badly on the cm front tbh

I remember when les ferdinand got slated. For saying we wanted to produce players that were more than purely defensive mids like makelele.
 
I think we want to develop midfielders with all around capabilities and then get some specialising in the defensive role. We don't want to develop defensive midfielders who are defensive midfielders because they don't have the skill to be more.
 
Took my daughter training Saturday.

Was watching one of the older groups earlier must have been u5/6/7.
Small pitch split into zones, ball coming in from different angles to start off play, when team lost possession all had to run back to defensive zone. So far so good.

Ball gets chucked into play, 14 kids descend on it, blood and chicken feathers everywhere coach shouting out stop bunching, rinse and repeat.

There were two coaches, with ample space and equipment. They could have had two games going on, assigned zones etc, but non of that was done. These are coaches that will be at least FA Lv2.

And that is still the main problem, we just teach the game wrong from the start. Having done my badges, the lower level ones (which allow you to teach kids) have little to do with football and are more about safeguarding and inclusion. Important as that is you're then still left with kids in their formative years left with a cadre of coaches who are not equipped to teach them.
 
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