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Wan-Bissaka

Discussion in 'Transfer Rumours' started by the dza, 13 Aug 2018.

  1. milo

    milo Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    It's strange then that he's spent his entire career at clubs that got their width from overlapping fullbacks
     
  2. the dza

    the dza Christian Ziege

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    City don't. And whilst he provided width for us, he was better at defending than he was going forwards imo. You see it differently, but I watched him the same as you and don't agree, simple as that. Walker's main strength was and is his 1v1 defensive ability, it's very rare his opponent gets the best of him, despite the odd branifart.

    I see Wan Bissaka in a similar way. He'll be neat and tidy going forwards and has the athleticism to provide width if necessary, but his main strength will be locking down his flank in the way that Walker has done over his career.
     
  3. fernadez

    fernadez Nico Claesen

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    Walker is a superb 1v1 defender, not technically like Maldini, but his pace allows him to recover and cover up his own mistakes. I don't think you can pick and choose which attributes to including in judging why he's a good defender. The fact is there's not many attackers who have the better of him over 90 mins.

    The weakest part of his game by far is his crossing.
     
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  4. P.D.

    P.D. Milija Aleksic

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    Walker is quite poor attacking really, his crosses were generally terrible but he has pretty good ball control and first touch so with his pace enables him to stretch the play, make the give and go's, knock round the corners etc. You can see the difference with Trippier who always checks back, Walker can do that but can also knock it past someone and run as well if needed.
     
  5. milo

    milo Vivian Woodward Staff Member

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    There's more to attacking than crosses. What they are trying to do is overload the opponents and force them into picking a man to track. It creates space for opportunities. Walker was great at it because he had pace and is decent on the ball.
     
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  6. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Ian Walker

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    Walker is not a good defender, in so much as he will often be caught napping, wrong side, out of position...

    Walker is an excellent defender in a 1-on-1 situation.

    Walker really isnt that good going forward. I think only really the Danny Rose "but he gives them something to think about" line is about his greatest strength. Used to play a nice ball up the inside channel, otherwise his passing, crossing and movement leave a lot to be desired.

    Walker has Sissoko like stamina/speed/strength combinations, though is far more prone to injury.

    That last attribute is fading now and will only ever get worse, not better.
     
  7. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Justin Edinburgh

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    I can’t think what Guardiola saw in him to pay £50 million?
     
  8. JerusalemMan

    JerusalemMan Jonathan Woodgate

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    Recent displays by Alexander-Arnold have thrown Walker's current form and ability into stark relief.
     
  9. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Ian Walker

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    I certainly cant. Thought it was a bargain at the time on our part.

    I guess he was high profile and English, and could do a job.

    I fully expect him to be upgraded upon, and soon, because quality wise he is one of the weakest links in that side.


    Absolutely.
     
  10. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Justin Edinburgh

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    It was a bargain on our part other than us becoming FAR weaker on our right hand side as a result.
     
  11. Jon

    Jon Mitchell Thomas

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    1 year of seeing Pablo Zabeletta and Bakary Sagna.
     
  12. P.D.

    P.D. Milija Aleksic

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    Trent is good but is defensively weak, he has been dropped from certain games as he's seen to be weak. Even in the final most of our breaks came down that side, obviously loads of time to improve but it's not a slam dunk yet.
     
  13. NaijaSpurs

    NaijaSpurs Frederic Kanoute

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    I do not think we have a realistic chance of signing Wan-Bssaka now Utd have allegedly had a £40m bid rejected
     
  14. Dicko

    Dicko Kasey Keller

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    Some pundits were saying TAA is so good he will be a Centre-Mid soon. Not sure if true, I don't know if he has always been a right-back through-out his youth?
     
  15. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Ian Walker

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    FAR weaker in hindsight (wonderful thing that), but at the time it was a no brainer.
     
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    Jurgen the German Andy Thompson

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    The only reason walker left if because he wanted to leave. It was only when walker made it clear he wanted to leave that trippier started getting more game time. Otherwise walker would still be our right back.
     
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    nayimfromthehalfwayline Ian Walker

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    Trippier got a chance and showed what a difference a RB who can actually be useful in the final third makes.

    For whatever reason he got the chance, by the end of the season we were happy for Walker to go. Especially at that money.
     
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    Jurgen the German Andy Thompson

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    His crossing is Beckham like so I would have thought he would be better suited to being a full back or a winger. I think Rose, Gomez and TAA will be starting the majority of games for England in the near future and going forward.
     
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    elltrev Naybet

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    You mean like most top clubs in this day and age? In fact apart from Emirates Marketing Project under Guardiola, who get most of their width from wingers and have full-backs often come inside like extra central midfielders?

    Also strange that he's only got an average of just 0.6 goals and 2.8 assists in 30 starts over the last 8 PL seasons, for a full-back who's so good going forward.

    Forgive the sarcastic tone; just replying in kind :p

    Personally I think he's very good at getting forward (due to his pace and stamina), but not very good at doing much on the ball once he's got there. I think his goal and assist stats show that pretty clearly.
     
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    Jurgen the German Andy Thompson

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    Trippier’s crossing ability gave us something different but walker was a much, much better defender and his pace made him a threat going forward. I think Poch gradually phased walker out of the side once he made it known that he wanted to leave. If Walker had been happy to stay then I don’t think Trippier would have got much of a look in at RB. Ultimately we made the best of it and got a decent fee for him but just over two years later we’re looking for another RB sad we’ve not replaced him sufficiently.
     

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