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Victimpool thread

Discussion in 'General Football' started by southstand1882, 28 Jan 2012.

  1. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Vedran Corluka

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    Obviously one teams success is another's failure, but look at the list of massive clubs not even challenging for the domestic leagues, man u, the Milan teams, even RM and this is only Liverpool second serious challenge in decades.
    It is a cycle, just an unusual one that all the traditional powerhouse teams are going through it at the same time.

    Klopp especially but Pep as well has taken the old English teams blend mainly homegrown players blended with some Scots or Irish as the labourers and swop them for European, only difference is the role reversal having the English as the labourer.
     
  2. metalgear

    metalgear Johnny Morrison

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    It's still about money. The EPL does better than the other foreign leagues to attract the best talents here through financial might. Brexit terms not agreed yet but might just change the relative attractiveness between football leagues in a big way

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  3. braineclipse

    braineclipse Andy Thompson

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    It's not all about money though. That's one factor. City, Chelsea, Manu in particular have spent boatloads of it without getting to the level of Europe's best for years.

    I wish it wasn't the case, but for me it seems like Guardiola and Klopp have changed that. Only the future will tell what the future brings, but for me they're at a level now seen extremely rarely in the PL, despite a ton of money being available for a long time.
     
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    Rorschach Erik Thorstvedt

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    Robbo Steve Carr

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    Robbo Steve Carr

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    Also; the three last times a team has been in first place on December 25th and not won the title, it was Liverpool. 08/09, 13/14 and now.
     
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    Modric THFC Steffen Iversen

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    Well done to big club Liverpool for finishing above Spurs for the 2nd time this decade.
     
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  8. galeforce

    galeforce Tony Galvin

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    I must say, yes I hate them, but credit where it’s due, they’ve deserved to take it from us this season, the put the pressure on trophy.
     
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    NoLimits01 Sean Davis

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    City did there bit today and now it’s up to us
     
  10. Aldo

    Aldo Bobby Mimms

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    Scousy

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    Kandi1977 Paul Walsh

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    nayimfromthehalfwayline Tom Huddlestone

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    There was at one time a pretty valid idea that the Pl was behind the continent technically and tactically, and this was regularly shown up in Europe - pretty much as soon as they came across a decent team.

    That was a very long time ago now though.

    You only need to look at the domestic league over the last decade to see the advancements made technically and tactically. Its gone forward over the 10 years, and was 10 years ago light years ahead of the decade before.

    Emirates Marketing Project have gone out of the CL the last 3 (or 2?) years to domestic opposition, not foreign. And EPLs clubs record of wins/finals/semis over this period really does bear out that the gap (if there is one) is much much smaller than it ever was.

    To the degree where when the old "not as good tactically/get knocked out against first decent team" cliche gets rolled out it is quite frankly wrong, and nowhere near accurate.
     
  13. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Tom Huddlestone

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    Given the game we have coming up I am hesitant to indulge too heavily in schadenfreude but I would like to get my thoughts down on Liverpool

    I am delighted they didnt win it, absolutely made up. fudging love it.

    They have done remarkably well this season, especially considering I still dont think they play particularly good football.

    Yes, I know, thats blasphemous to many on here, but I just dont think they are that good in all honesty.

    Far closer to Leicester when they won the league than City, lets put it that way.

    Im no particular fan of City or Guardiola (bellend, and whats with that fudging cardigan?!) but I have to say they play some excellent football. It borders on total football at times and can be joyous to watch.

    Liverpools is a far more basic and fundamental game, and Im actually stunned it has worked as well as it has.

    I think they have had more than their share of good fortune, jammy goals, undeserved penalties... I think they have had players hitting peaks they probably never will again. I think everything came together for them, with a real fair wind behind and clear road ahead (again just like Leicester) and if ever they were going to win the league it would have been with that kind of momentum and fortune.

    And they didnt, and yes I do enjoy that, but the point is this:

    I dont think its reasonable at all to expect anything like that performance again next season. I just dont, and Im baffled by the narrative following Liverpool this season, up to the end of this season, and now already going onto next season. Genuinely baffled.

    This isnt a team growing into a philosophy, evolving a complex system of play, developing... at all.

    They are what they are.

    And the chances of all the dominoes falling the same for them have to be astronomical.
     
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    glasgowspur Vedran Corluka

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    They are limited, not as much as Leicester where but similar.
    But the media big them up, first goal today, cross from the Fb was described as perfect, a great ball right into mane path. It came off the defenders arse ffs.
    The CL Final is critical for them now, should they lose that I think they will implode.
    I expect epic levels of brick from them on the day.
     
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    SteveAWOL John Lacy

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    glasgowspur Vedran Corluka

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48249187

    Twunty on why Liverpool are so good, only going to get better, better even than city and why no one else (especially spurs) will touch them next year.
    And we actually pay him for this rubbish.
    Fed up hearing about how they only lost one game, how many they not win 6-7. That probably 3 poor teams they couldn't beat.
     
  17. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Tom Huddlestone

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    Given our stake in it I hesitate to talk about the CL too much, but I agree.

    I said a week or so ago, they have put everything into this PL campaign, and they have all (board down to fans) bought the narrative that has been fed all season.

    And as I say, everything came together for them in that once in a lifetime way, they all believed it - and then they didnt get it.

    Apparently 97 points would have won the league in all other seasons but one. Thats incredible!

    And to be on the wrong side of it will be absolutely gutting.

    I think right now they will just be rolling all those feelings into the CL, in a desperate "well if we win this itll all be ok" kind of bid, so if they dont?

    I think it will tear them apart. That sort of disappointment would take a hell of a long time to recover from, itll be a scar they carry for a long time.

    And thats the difference. For us? If we win itll be incredible, but if we lose - while we will of course be gutted, we'll bounce back. It wont be a negative experience because we know the achievement of getting there, and we havent spent a full season building up the pressure on winning.


    I genuinely think this man is an idiot. Not in the "I dont like him" way, but in the literal - I think he is actually really stupid, and I wonder if he ties his own shoe laces way.

    As to his views here? Needless to say I disagree.

    I think this season was peak Liverpool and it would take a miracle to repeat it.

    I dont think theirs is a sustainable way of playing, unlike City, and I think itll show.

    I fully expect them to be a strong team in the top 4 (or pushing it), but I dont think they are set for 97 points again.

    They are a rocky start to the season away from a nightmare IMO.
     
  18. galeforce

    galeforce Tony Galvin

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    Everybody hates them.
     
  19. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Vedran Corluka

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    Twunty seems to forget how far behind city they were last season, but of course no one can repeat that, only a club like Liverpool can achieve such heights (lets not mention the lows).
     
  20. nayimfromthehalfwayline

    nayimfromthehalfwayline Tom Huddlestone

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    I was talking to the wife about this, she was confused why there was so much hype around Liverpool even after they didnt win the league.

    I made the point then - they havent won the league in near 30 years, and spent most of the last decade behind us (and its not like we have been running for the title).

    It really makes no sense at all.
     

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