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American politics

That tv series The Capture shows where we're heading (or already arrived) in terms of fudging around with CCTV to prove people guilty. No doubt at all that Trump would use fake material to push his agenda. Especially given there's an election in about six months.

I enjoyed that show, surprised it hasn't got more hype, however do you really think we are any where near that being a reality? I (maybe naively?) think justice still matters to most people and it is only the odd case where it might be an issue, but in no way is it any where near systemic...
 
Not a Yank either. Canadian, who has worked across the US most of the past 30 years. For the most part, I meet great people. And I don't use that word, great, blithely, either. Bright, friendly, competitive, compassionate. But I've also met the racists, the willfully ignorant, the selfish, greedy, grasping fcukwits that don't understand the need to work hard to keep improving. The sort of folk who drop the n-word as casually as they draw breath. They've got guns, too. They think they'll eventually just take by force whatever they need.

Trump's 'great evil' has been to impower this group, polarize and amplify their misguided views while working to maintain a manipulated political process.

Here in Canada, we're grieving the deaths of 23 innocent souls to the most American of crimes - a run-amok shooter. Trump's right wing views might earn him votes with the proud, the few, the witless. But if he were to be re-elected, the rest of the world will reward America in days to come with the harshest of rewards - blanking. Here in Canada, the growth of extreme right-wing views is about to undergo a serious shrivelling. Globally, America's image will diminish.

No one - bar Putin - will want to visit the States on a holiday, a country where tourism has a huge impact. Seriously, I can be across the border in 90 mins. Not a fcukin' chance I spend nickel one in that place with him in charge and his barking droogs running the place. And I know many of America's closest neighbours, citizens of America's single largest trading partner, share that view.

That place, comin' like a ghost town. We'll leave it to themselves to stew in their own corrosive juices. And play golf.

It's horrible what happened in Nova Scotia however, it's not really relevant to Donald Trump is it? The gunman was a psycho, end of..

Regarding your observations, it always intrigues me when debating someone who's raised the problem of racism, that their immediate go to, in fact their only go to, is that it's somehow a white only problem and that any hatred for the other only exists in the hearts and minds of white people. The evidence clearly shows otherwise.

In America, the most heinous of crimes, murder, is most often within the in group. Inter racial murder makes up less than 5% of the total murders for most years.

Those who do the overwhelming majority of the crimes from the two racial groups are male, aged between 15 and 50, of which white men number 50 million, whilst black men number just under 10 million..However, blacks kill more whites, than whites kill blacks, twice the number in fact, year on year.....

It's the same for rape and theft - black men carry out these crimes against whites in much higher numbers than whites do against blacks.. All this and yet white men out number black men by five to one..

Another fact to consider when you criticise Trump for stoking racial tensions and enthusing the "white racists".. Under Obama in his final two years in office 2015/16, the overall murder rate spiked to it's highest since 1990..Both racial groups killed each other in increasing numbers in those two years than in previous years. America had a president who endorsed Black Lives Matter leaders, inviting them to dinner and meetings in the White House. Meanwhile, cops were getting murdered by snipers and we had a lapdog sycophantic media at the president's briefings asking the important questions, yeah right, sure we did.

Violent crime excluding murder stats, show a gradual increase under Obama compared to the Bush jr years and actually spiked in 2014.. In 2015 attacks on Muslims hit immediate post 911 level highs... Obama causing geopolitical tensions with his regime change policies and, Obama and the Democratic Party's leading lights playing identitarian politics, have their consequences.

I do think some of you are looking back on the Obama years as some sort of golden era for social cohesion - they were anything but.

Baring in mind the above facts, ask yourself why is it that when you talk of hate for the other, that your accusations of racial hate are only directed at whites? Is it conditioning by the education system, political correctness of the main stream media and politicians, Hollywood perhaps?

I don't doubt what you've experienced and I can do likewise and share my own experiences as I've done loads of business trips over there, with White and Black Americans...Got to know a few people and stayed at their homes ...

I can tell you that successful blacks will often say, that the most racial hassle they get is not from whites but by blacks themselves...A sellout to his own.. Why were he employing Whites and Latinos whilst brothers were unemployed?.. He had moved out to a predominately white neighbourhood and forgotten his roots.. He were an uncle tom, a coconut.

By the way, Trump is not viewed by people around the world with the same disdain you and most on this forum have for him, he just isn't..

Please accept my apologies for my delay in reply...
 
By no means is this list intended to be comprehensive, i have things to do today, however;

  1. Sexually assaulted women and admitted to it.
  2. Cheated on his wife who had just had a baby with a porn star called Stormy.
  3. Thrown fuel on the far right’s fire for power by constantly blaming Latin Americans for the problems in the US.
  4. Weaponising immigration, despite the clear need for immigrants during this crisis to undertake healthcare, supermarket, delivery jobs.
  5. Being stupid enough to think building a wall will stop Mexicans (who are tunnel experts) in getting over the border.
  6. Withdrawn from the Paris Climate Change agreement.
  7. Turned media briefings into campaign rallies.
  8. Lied to the public approximately 20,000 times in a year, but so consistently it is now par for the course.
  9. Cheats at golf.
  10. Fathered an absolute fcuktard and named him after himself albeit with a Jnr at the end.
  11. Advocate the second amendment rights for Virginian rednecks during this current crisis. NRA links and funding.
  12. Claims he’s religious all of a sudden now he’s POTUS but no prior evidence of this.
  13. Having the mental capacity of a child but refusing to trust in the many intelligent people around him.
  14. Putting his jewish son in law, Kushner in charge of the middle east peace deal.
  15. Getting away being impeached due to partisan voting in the House, Ukraine scandal, whereby he was clearly at fault.
  16. Talking down to female journalists , particularly those from ethnic minorities.
  17. Being unable to competently read English from speech notes or a teleprompter despite being 72 years old.
  18. Makes out he's a successful businessman but wont share his tax returns under executive privilege.
  19. Former friend of Jeffrey Epstein, Rocketman, Harvey Weinstein not to mention GOP scum like Mitch McConnell.
Clearly Hilary, Obama, you and i all have our shortfalls however being guilty of even three of the above would warrant not being suitable for the job of POTUS however being guilty if all and more simply makes me wonder if this is actually all just a wind up.


That’ll do for now, happy to come back and add more to the list later. Feel free to respond to any of the above.


On reading your post, I wasn't too sure whether you were being serious with this? I say this as in all my years I've never seen a counterargument for the greater evil...Bombing the f*** out of third world countries using the soil destroying chemical, agent orange so as to starve the peasantry, with such a shameful response.

He shagged a high class hooker/porn star - You take failed testimony of a woman who will willingly will do most things sexual for the right price and throw it into this debate. Incidentally, a failed testimony that was thrown out of court.

Also, your, "Mexicans are tunnel experts," that got me, you had me rolling in tears on that one. ...You're suggesting Trump should do nothing about the border security because criminal people smugglers that also happen to be ruthless, Mexican criminal people smugglers, are tunnel experts? ... It would be racist for Trump to even bother to fight back against Mexican criminal activity and ICE should be disbanded because it's Gestapo like .. You're sounding like AOC on this one...

He lied 20,000 times and he cheats at golf and he sides with Virginian rednecks... lol Surely you're trolling me with your Buzzfeed copy and pasting?

Getting away with being impeached - because your Nancy Pelosi is full of brick and didn't have anything on him. It were a political move by the Dems, nothing else...

However she does have a very expensive refrigerator, one that will set you back $24,000 and it's packed with ice cream too, because Nancy loves ice cream and chocolate is her favorite.. All this was aired on TV the previous weekend, on SNL with James Corden, whilst she played partisan politics in delaying the signing of the Paycheck Protection Act. ....

Talking down to female and ethnic journalists...He does that to all the journo's who deserve it regardless of ethnicity and gender .. They've been sitting there like hand clapping seals all those years during the Obama presidency - go look up Obama's briefings, they're a joke ... With Trump they ask a question and as he begins his reply, they're immediately interrupting him with another question so as to make him look bad. The progressive leftists lap it up as gotcha moments whilst the feeble minded get taken in by it all..

Just the other night, a journalist asked Trump .. Can the American electorate really re-elect you, now that the American death total from this disease has surpassed the number of American dead in the Vietnam War? ..... Good honest investigative journalism on show there ...

Former friend of Epstein and Weinstein - as were the Clintons, Oprah Winfrey, Meryl Streep. So?

If you're so into insinuations of sexual depravity by Trump, then may I suggest, that if Biden has his nomination sealed at the DNC, that you look into, Tara Reade and also his shenanigans around women and children.
 
On reading your post, I wasn't too sure whether you were being serious with this? I say this as in all my years I've never seen a counterargument for the greater evil...Bombing the f*** out of third world countries using the soil destroying chemical, agent orange so as to starve the peasantry, with such a shameful response.

He shagged a high class hooker/porn star - You take failed testimony of a woman who will willingly will do most things sexual for the right price and throw it into this debate. Incidentally, a failed testimony that was thrown out of court.

Also, your, "Mexicans are tunnel experts," that got me, you had me rolling in tears on that one. ...You're suggesting Trump should do nothing about the border security because criminal people smugglers that also happen to be ruthless, Mexican criminal people smugglers, are tunnel experts? ... It would be racist for Trump to even bother to fight back against Mexican criminal activity and ICE should be disbanded because it's Gestapo like .. You're sounding like AOC on this one...

He lied 20,000 times and he cheats at golf and he sides with Virginian rednecks... lol Surely you're trolling me with your Buzzfeed copy and pasting?

Getting away with being impeached - because your Nancy Pelosi is full of brick and didn't have anything on him. It were a political move by the Dems, nothing else...

However she does have a very expensive refrigerator, one that will set you back $24,000 and it's packed with ice cream too, because Nancy loves ice cream and chocolate is her favorite.. All this was aired on TV the previous weekend, on SNL with James Corden, whilst she played partisan politics in delaying the signing of the Paycheck Protection Act. ....

Talking down to female and ethnic journalists...He does that to all the journo's who deserve it regardless of ethnicity and gender .. They've been sitting there like hand clapping seals all those years during the Obama presidency - go look up Obama's briefings, they're a joke ... With Trump they ask a question and as he begins his reply, they're immediately interrupting him with another question so as to make him look bad. The progressive leftists lap it up as gotcha moments whilst the feeble minded get taken in by it all..

Just the other night, a journalist asked Trump .. Can the American electorate really re-elect you, now that the American death total from this disease has surpassed the number of American dead in the Vietnam War? ..... Good honest investigative journalism on show there ...

Former friend of Epstein and Weinstein - as were the Clintons, Oprah Winfrey, Meryl Streep. So?

If you're so into insinuations of sexual depravity by Trump, then may I suggest, that if Biden has his nomination sealed at the DNC, that you look into, Tara Reade and also his shenanigans around women and children.
He's a macaron. End of!

 
LOL! EVERYWHERE I've been, and all groups of people I've talked to, the overwhelming majority thinks Trump is an utter looney.

I cant stand the man but i do acknowledge he won fair and square and clearly a lot of Americans voted for him.

For me much like brexit which im in favour of is why people vote that way not Trump or Farage.

Im just glad we have not had a prime minister who thinks we should inject ourselves with detergents.
 
I cant stand the man but i do acknowledge he won fair and square and clearly a lot of Americans voted for him.

For me much like brexit which im in favour of is why people vote that way not Trump or Farage.

Im just glad we have not had a prime minister who thinks we should inject ourselves with detergents.
He didn't get the majority of votes. Far from it.
 
On reading your post, I wasn't too sure whether you were being serious with this? I say this as in all my years I've never seen a counterargument for the greater evil...Bombing the f*** out of third world countries using the soil destroying chemical, agent orange so as to starve the peasantry, with such a shameful response.

He shagged a high class hooker/porn star - You take failed testimony of a woman who will willingly will do most things sexual for the right price and throw it into this debate. Incidentally, a failed testimony that was thrown out of court.

Also, your, "Mexicans are tunnel experts," that got me, you had me rolling in tears on that one. ...You're suggesting Trump should do nothing about the border security because criminal people smugglers that also happen to be ruthless, Mexican criminal people smugglers, are tunnel experts? ... It would be racist for Trump to even bother to fight back against Mexican criminal activity and ICE should be disbanded because it's Gestapo like .. You're sounding like AOC on this one...

He lied 20,000 times and he cheats at golf and he sides with Virginian rednecks... lol Surely you're trolling me with your Buzzfeed copy and pasting?

Getting away with being impeached - because your Nancy Pelosi is full of brick and didn't have anything on him. It were a political move by the Dems, nothing else...

However she does have a very expensive refrigerator, one that will set you back $24,000 and it's packed with ice cream too, because Nancy loves ice cream and chocolate is her favorite.. All this was aired on TV the previous weekend, on SNL with James Corden, whilst she played partisan politics in delaying the signing of the Paycheck Protection Act. ....

Talking down to female and ethnic journalists...He does that to all the journo's who deserve it regardless of ethnicity and gender .. They've been sitting there like hand clapping seals all those years during the Obama presidency - go look up Obama's briefings, they're a joke ... With Trump they ask a question and as he begins his reply, they're immediately interrupting him with another question so as to make him look bad. The progressive leftists lap it up as gotcha moments whilst the feeble minded get taken in by it all..

Just the other night, a journalist asked Trump .. Can the American electorate really re-elect you, now that the American death total from this disease has surpassed the number of American dead in the Vietnam War? ..... Good honest investigative journalism on show there ...

Former friend of Epstein and Weinstein - as were the Clintons, Oprah Winfrey, Meryl Streep. So?

If you're so into insinuations of sexual depravity by Trump, then may I suggest, that if Biden has his nomination sealed at the DNC, that you look into, Tara Reade and also his shenanigans around women and children.

I certainly can’t be fcuked wasting time arguing the pros and cons of a simpleton like trump with a deluded republican assbandit like you. You only have to read the comments on trumps posts on instagram to realise the crazies in the red states aren't able to see beyond the bullsh!t and will vote him in again.

Keep voting for him, give him a second term, run that country into the ground, i literally don’t care if they have a civil war. We’ll look at the usa in coming years the same way we do at somewhere like South Africa or Zimbabwe. Former great countries, run into the ground by unhinged and corrupt governments.

I will say this however wiziwig, everywhere on this planet where the average IQ is over 100, people are laughing at trump. The fact you haven’t noticed this suggests to me you watch Fox news, sleep alongside your cousin every night and wear levis jeans higher than they should be above your waist.

I also notice you avoid commenting on the disinfectant story from your esteemed leader
 
LOL! EVERYWHERE I've been, and all groups of people I've talked to, the overwhelming majority thinks Trump is an utter looney.

Correction , my mistake.......I should've said..Trump is not viewed by millions of people around the world with the same disdain you and most on this forum have for him...

We live in a Western European countries, where displaying support for Trump can have detrimental consequences to employment opportunities ... Absolutely no one who works in the public sector can state that they support Trump without being ostracised or worse ... No one, who is a student at a University, dare state that they approve of Trump's Presidency without facing downgrades by their Marxist teachers. People in Western Europe are quietly voting for nationalist, right wing, and populist parties.


In Western Europe, you can wear your hammer n sickle fashion statements and it's all cool... Wear a MAGA hat and all hell breaks loose.. We have self proclaimed communists such as Rachel Shabi, Ash Sarker and many others, often paraded on TV political programmes attacking Trump and nation loving people ..

Central and South America has right wing, pro nationalist governments and movements who's supporters are not anti Trump as you're.. The same can be said in Israel, in Russia, Eastern Europe, Asia... His recent trip to India had thousands crammed into a stadium and millions of Indians glued to their TV sets to watch him speak..

His speeches at the UN are more respectful to the nations of the world, than the bullying of past US presidents. He's respected by millions as he's not sort turmoil and destruction around the the globe...

Millions of people from around the world would like to move to America. There's been no no drop off in the numbers of people wanting to go live there these past three years..
 
I certainly can’t be fcuked wasting time arguing the pros and cons of a simpleton like trump with a deluded republican assbandit like you. You only have to read the comments on trumps posts on instagram to realise the crazies in the red states aren't able to see beyond the bullsh!t and will vote him in again.

Keep voting for him, give him a second term, run that country into the ground, i literally don’t care if they have a civil war. We’ll look at the usa in coming years the same way we do at somewhere like South Africa or Zimbabwe. Former great countries, run into the ground by unhinged and corrupt governments.

I will say this however wiziwig, everywhere on this planet where the average IQ is over 100, people are laughing at trump. The fact you haven’t noticed this suggests to me you watch Fox news, sleep alongside your cousin every night and wear levis jeans higher than they should be above your waist.

I also notice you avoid commenting on the disinfectant story from your esteemed leader

You're letting yourself down here. I'm not attacking you personally so calm yourself down..

Look, I get it Trump is annoying to you and plenty of others here and I accept his many failings but I look at the options .. Clinton and now it looks like Biden and I weigh it up just as you're doing?

As for his disinfectant idiocy... It's him having a brainfart moment, a foot in mouth moment like he occasionally has.. He likes to brainstorm, he was brainstorming in a briefing room which is not good, I get that ...

He's no sleek politician but for me, this is about policies and up to now his are way better for Americans and for the rest of us as far as I'm concerned..
 
It's horrible what happened in Nova Scotia however, it's not really relevant to Donald Trump is it? The gunman was a psycho, end of..

Regarding your observations, it always intrigues me when debating someone who's raised the problem of racism, that their immediate go to, in fact their only go to, is that it's somehow a white only problem and that any hatred for the other only exists in the hearts and minds of white people. The evidence clearly shows otherwise.

In America, the most heinous of crimes, murder, is most often within the in group. Inter racial murder makes up less than 5% of the total murders for most years.

Those who do the overwhelming majority of the crimes from the two racial groups are male, aged between 15 and 50, of which white men number 50 million, whilst black men number just under 10 million..However, blacks kill more whites, than whites kill blacks, twice the number in fact, year on year.....

It's the same for rape and theft - black men carry out these crimes against whites in much higher numbers than whites do against blacks.. All this and yet white men out number black men by five to one..

Another fact to consider when you criticise Trump for stoking racial tensions and enthusing the "white racists".. Under Obama in his final two years in office 2015/16, the overall murder rate spiked to it's highest since 1990..Both racial groups killed each other in increasing numbers in those two years than in previous years. America had a president who endorsed Black Lives Matter leaders, inviting them to dinner and meetings in the White House. Meanwhile, cops were getting murdered by snipers and we had a lapdog sycophantic media at the president's briefings asking the important questions, yeah right, sure we did.

Violent crime excluding murder stats, show a gradual increase under Obama compared to the Bush jr years and actually spiked in 2014.. In 2015 attacks on Muslims hit immediate post 911 level highs... Obama causing geopolitical tensions with his regime change policies and, Obama and the Democratic Party's leading lights playing identitarian politics, have their consequences.

I do think some of you are looking back on the Obama years as some sort of golden era for social cohesion - they were anything but.

Baring in mind the above facts, ask yourself why is it that when you talk of hate for the other, that your accusations of racial hate are only directed at whites? Is it conditioning by the education system, political correctness of the main stream media and politicians, Hollywood perhaps?

I don't doubt what you've experienced and I can do likewise and share my own experiences as I've done loads of business trips over there, with White and Black Americans...Got to know a few people and stayed at their homes ...

I can tell you that successful blacks will often say, that the most racial hassle they get is not from whites but by blacks themselves...A sellout to his own.. Why were he employing Whites and Latinos whilst brothers were unemployed?.. He had moved out to a predominately white neighbourhood and forgotten his roots.. He were an uncle tom, a coconut.

By the way, Trump is not viewed by people around the world with the same disdain you and most on this forum have for him, he just isn't..

Please accept my apologies for my delay in reply...


Race, race, race... just give it a rest will you. Go back into your bedroom and do another couple of laps goose stepping. That might get it out of your system.
 
I have avoided comment on your "political posts" for some time, but now is the time. Answers below in bold after each "point" raised.

It's horrible what happened in Nova Scotia however, it's not really relevant to Donald Trump is it? The gunman was a psycho, end of..

I don't know enough about the gunman, I'd say anyone who does that is mentally ill. I would agree that Trump is not directly part of that tragedy.

Regarding your observations, it always intrigues me when debating someone who's raised the problem of racism, that their immediate go to, in fact their only go to, is that it's somehow a white only problem and that any hatred for the other only exists in the hearts and minds of white people. The evidence clearly shows otherwise.

In America, the most heinous of crimes, murder, is most often within the in group. Inter racial murder makes up less than 5% of the total murders for most years.

Those who do the overwhelming majority of the crimes from the two racial groups are male, aged between 15 and 50, of which white men number 50 million, whilst black men number just under 10 million..However, blacks kill more whites, than whites kill blacks, twice the number in fact, year on year.....

There is certainly a black on black crime issue. I would suggest you ponder why that might be (start with The Ferguson Effect and work backwards). To understand why, you'd have to understand what being black in America has been for decades and decades, as well as the entrenched racism and prejudices that still exist. As for your "blacks kill more whites" you'll have to do a little better and post some pretty accurate statistics, from more than one right-wing source, and with proper context. N one of these "statistics" account for context.


It's the same for rape and theft - black men carry out these crimes against whites in much higher numbers than whites do against blacks.. All this and yet white men out number black men by five to one..

What a pathetic, frankly disgraceful comment to offer without a shred of evidence. Or context.Any of it actually. This sort of comment underscores a mindset I find dangerous, sheltered and repugnant. Again, your sheer lack of information behind such a comment does lead me to believe you would absolutely LOVE the mentality of someone like Trump, who works along similarly incendiary lines with absolutely no supportive evidence or context. In fact, it reminded me of this...

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch...-black-crime-rates-take-another-hit-bjs-study

Another fact to consider when you criticise Trump for stoking racial tensions and enthusing the "white racists".. Under Obama in his final two years in office 2015/16, the overall murder rate spiked to it's highest since 1990..Both racial groups killed each other in increasing numbers in those two years than in previous years. America had a president who endorsed Black Lives Matter leaders, inviting them to dinner and meetings in the White House. Meanwhile, cops were getting murdered by snipers and we had a lapdog sycophantic media at the president's briefings asking the important questions, yeah right, sure we did.

It appears much of what you know of American life seems filtered through a narrow jet of right-wing trollspeak. First of all, Obama was never going to get an easy ride. (Drumroll)...he was a black man leading the US. Problematic for many. The same "many" who started this "birther" flimflam, of which Trump was a prime-mover. As ever though, we need to return to that inconvenient old chestnut, context. The NYTimes offers a high degree of context and proper interpretation of Trump's big claim. I also enclose a quick link to overall crime states in the time frame.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/09/08/us/us-murder-rates.html

https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/

Violent crime excluding murder stats, show a gradual increase under Obama compared to the Bush jr years and actually spiked in 2014.. In 2015 attacks on Muslims hit immediate post 911 level highs... Obama causing geopolitical tensions with his regime change policies and, Obama and the Democratic Party's leading lights playing identitarian politics, have their consequences.

The single biggest factor in "attacks on Muslims" stems from 9/11 and the disgracefully-executed actions and invasions after it. How on earth you can lay that at Obama's door is beyond me, it genuinely is. I will say openly that I was highly critical of Obama's drone campaign, and consider it to have been a major misstep in his foreign policy. As for "major tensions with his regime change policies" are you referring to Ghadaffi? Who else? Because my friend, regime change on the US dime has been going down since the fudging '50s, and in the process has fudged over, and caused retaliation from, many more places than ANYTHING Obama did.IF you want to take a walk down "regime change road" we certainly can; it won't be pretty.

I do think some of you are looking back on the Obama years as some sort of golden era for social cohesion - they were anything but.

Absolutely not, they could never have been a "golden era for social cohesion". He had to spend his first term trying to undo some of the heinous actions of his predecessor and their cabal of interests and actions. Again, I do not think he was perfect by any measure.

Baring in mind the above facts, ask yourself why is it that when you talk of hate for the other, that your accusations of racial hate are only directed at whites? Is it conditioning by the education system, political correctness of the main stream media and politicians, Hollywood perhaps?

Honestly, do you get your viewpoint from Breibart? Steve Bannon? "Hollywood perhaps?" What sort of thing is that to say in serious conversation? "Conditioning by the education system"? Good grief.

I don't doubt what you've experienced and I can do likewise and share my own experiences as I've done loads of business trips over there, with White and Black Americans...Got to know a few people and stayed at their homes ...

Define "loads" and define where they were. I could take a guess but I wouldn't be so rude.

I can tell you that successful blacks will often say, that the most racial hassle they get is not from whites but by blacks themselves...A sellout to his own.. Why were he employing Whites and Latinos whilst brothers were unemployed?.. He had moved out to a predominately white neighbourhood and forgotten his roots.. He were an uncle tom, a coconut.

Unless your definition of "often" is a golf-course bar-b-que on a Tampa Bay golf course, then you can tell me what you like, but again, without context it is just small sample flimflam. Yes, there will be situations like you outline; arseholes are everywhere in all shapes and colours. But not Wizwig, no no NO "successful blacks" will NOT often say that the most racial hassle they get is from blacks themselves, because it is-not-true. Again, show me the statistics where that is a fact. It isn't. And like it or not, from the lack of opportunities in education to the enforced poverty conditions to the lack of opportunities, the BIGGEST obstacles to "successful blacks' remains the institutional prejudices that people like you are apparently too blind to see or even wish to recognize. I am not "influenced by Hollywood" or even "conditioned by the education system or political correctness" army. I am influenced by what I have seen firsthand for decades not just in the US but worldwide. I've been around the world many times and been to many places. I'll stack my experiences up against yours in this discussion any day of the week and call flimflam my friend.

By the way, Trump is not viewed by people around the world with the same disdain you and most on this forum have for him, he just isn't..

It depend who you're talking to. If you like hanging out in Hungary, enjoy a bit of a flimflam with Bolsonaro or like a fry-up with Farage and his fans, then you're likely not wrong. If, however, you don't subscribe to the blinkered agenda of populist separatists, then yes, trump is very much viewed with the disdain he is by most on this forum. Context AGAIN!


Please accept my apologies for my delay in reply...

Excuse my getting involved, but frankly, I could not let this pass.
 
Once again, I find myself responding...in bold below...


Correction , my mistake.......I should've said..Trump is not viewed by millions of people around the world with the same disdain you and most on this forum have for him...

We live in a Western European countries, where displaying support for Trump can have detrimental consequences to employment opportunities ... Absolutely no one who works in the public sector can state that they support Trump without being ostracised or worse ... No one, who is a student at a University, dare state that they approve of Trump's Presidency without facing downgrades by their Marxist teachers. People in Western Europe are quietly voting for nationalist, right wing, and populist parties.

Have you ever considered that the reason people don't display support for Trump is because long-term he isn't doing anything for them? Show me coherent arguments for Trump's Presidency and I am all ears. I remain open to Trump supporters showing me "the light". The problem? They last a few m minutes before resorting to what Hillary would've done, or what Obama did, or what Democrats are, or the fact that "they" wanted to turn America "socialist". They literally cannot offer anything beyond the stock market rise (which benefits the wealthiest) and unemployment figures being low (because many people work part-time jobs which don't offer them enough to live on but get them off the stat sheet). But as you rightly said, some people are voting quietly for nationalist, right-wing and populist parties, partially because (IMO) there is so much media misinformation around that their basest instincts are screamed at.


In Western Europe, you can wear your hammer n sickle fashion statements and it's all cool... Wear a MAGA hat and all hell breaks loose.. We have self proclaimed communists such as Rachel Shabi, Ash Sarker and many others, often paraded on TV political programmes attacking Trump and nation loving people ..


If you wear a MAGA hat around me, yes, I see you as a nationalist. Perhaps we can still find common ground enough to exchange pleasantries before getting on with our days. What burns me is how MAGA hat wearers bleat on and on about being "misrepresented". Wear it and own the fudging thing. Don't pretend you're "just showing a love of my country" because you're saying a lot more. As for hammer and sickle fashion statements, what are you referring to?


Central and South America has right wing, pro nationalist governments and movements who's supporters are not anti Trump as you're.. The same can be said in Israel, in Russia, Eastern Europe, Asia... His recent trip to India had thousands crammed into a stadium and millions of Indians glued to their TV sets to watch him speak..

There will always be a percentage who are right-wing, and right-wing extremists. In the Americas, most of this comes from being fear-mongered to, being told who is taking what away from them, who is causing crime to spike, who is "assaulting" their "way of life". Fearmongering politics. Divide and conquerers. As for your comment about India, again without context what can be said? Much!


His speeches at the UN are more respectful to the nations of the world, than the bullying of past US presidents. He's respected by millions as he's not sort turmoil and destruction around the the globe...

You are joking right? Not "sort" (do you mean sought?) turmoil and destruction around the globe? In what sense? Because in many sense that is actually what he's done, especially the "turmoil" bit.

Millions of people from around the world would like to move to America. There's been no no drop off in the numbers of people wanting to go live there these past three years..

Again, another "fact" I cannot discuss or dispute simply because you have provided not one credible link.

I have no issue with your apparent viewpoint beyond the fact it is virtually 180 degrees from mine. What I would PERSONALLY have an issue with, is if you tried to tell me you weren't what you have presented yourself to be; a populist who supports nationalistic, populist ideas and agendas.
 
I cant stand the man but i do acknowledge he won fair and square and clearly a lot of Americans voted for him.

For me much like brexit which im in favour of is why people vote that way not Trump or Farage.

Im just glad we have not had a prime minister who thinks we should inject ourselves with detergents.
No, but we nearly had one who wanted to nationalise everything and put MWMs on boards of companies. That's much more dumb.
 
Correction , my mistake.......I should've said..Trump is not viewed by millions of people around the world with the same disdain you and most on this forum have for him...
No you're right. It's not millions. It's billions of people that laugh at him, America, and his deluded, blind, deaf dumb supporters, like yourself.

And you said it, the ones that support him, outside of USA, are right wing nationalists, and some other looneys.
If you honestly think there is major support for trump, other than in small clusters,
You are just as deluded as him. Well, we have already seen that you are. So feel free, live in that alternative reality, but please, spare us the flimflam lies and false propaganda. Trump himself is more than enough.
 
No you're right. It's not millions. It's billions of people that laugh at him, America, and his deluded, blind, deaf dumb supporters, like yourself.

And you said it, the ones that support him, outside of USA, are right wing nationalists, and some other looneys.
If you honestly think there is major support for trump, other than in small clusters,
You are just as deluded as him. Well, we have already seen that you are. So feel free, live in that alternative reality, but please, spare us the flimflam lies and false propaganda. Trump himself is more than enough.


Most of the Trump supporters are just like him. They have an addiction to uniforms from another era and practicing funny walks.
 
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