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Transfer Tittle-Tattle

Discussion in 'Transfer Rumours' started by StephenH, 3 Feb 2019.

  1. Danishfurniturelover

    Danishfurniturelover Paul Walsh

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    Feels less like he is trusting them and more like an after thought, even Foyth does not seem to be coming along as I hoped he would.

    When he first turned up he was quick to turn to the likes of Bentaleb and Mason because he was not happy with the more established players. I get that we are third in the league. But I feel like he has accepted a drop off in performances from some regular squad players, Rose, Lamela for example that in the past he would have turned to others or taken a chance on championship players. Just my perception of what I see.

    Does seem that young English players are more desired across Europe and have been trained better at an academy level and of course we need to up the home grown element so maybe we will sign some but I dont feel he trusts them like he used to. Maybe it is the stress getting to him, the extra pressure he has seen him put upon himself to win something that means he can not trust young players anymore. As shown by the uncharacteristic outburst at the referee the other week.
     
  2. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Nayim

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    I don’t agree

    I just think it’s harder for players to get into teams which are now better

    Look at Arsenal who have a real weakness in defence, their giving Maitkand Miles a chance as they don’t have adequate cover. We have Trippier and Aurier ahead of our development player in KWP

    Ours squad is better than it was by about 20% I’d say and that’s a lot to do with his development of players

    I can see a mini clear out and some youth being bought in to tweak the squad. Their are some really really string young players that would be available for what is reasonable money

    Havertz could replace Eriksen for less than half his sale price
    Aaron’s could replace Aurier or Trippier for their sale price
    De Ligt could replace Toby but would cost double what we get for him
    Brandt could replace Lamela and would cost roughly the same
    Could get Sessegnon in for possibly less than they would have asked previous

    Can’t think of a CF to try for but the one I’m still a little gutted about is Piatek who is getting better and better

    All young gettable players
     
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  3. P.D.

    P.D. Gerry Armstrong

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    What about Maxi Gomez for upfront/wide rotation option, I think his release clause is around £45m but that's the going rate for top players nowadays.
     
  4. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Nayim

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    Not seen anything of him TBF

    But again their are gettable players that would potentially (not guaranteed) upgrade our squad

    Aaron’s is one that people will turn their noses at yet the lad looks brilliant in the top footballing side the Championship. Then people will say Bissaka is the man, forgetting that a year ago no nnehad really heard of him ....

    I’ve seen people say why would we be after Jarod Bowen, and again I’d argue that he looks a top notch prospect playing with average players. Imagine him with top players ...
     
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  5. P.D.

    P.D. Gerry Armstrong

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    I'm all for getting some good young prospects in but we also need some top level quality to mix with that who can slot straight into the first XI if needed if we want to compete and win trophies. If we go for all prospects then it will take 2/3 years for the team to come good and by then many of our current top players will have moved on.
     
  6. the dza

    the dza Christian Ziege

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    I'd say a thing that separates someone like Wan-Bissaka from Championship prospects is that he has proven himself against top opponents. He's had good games against all the top teams I think. Whereas someone like Sessegnon was raved about in the Championship, but has looked really average in the Premier League.

    If the price is right, then they are worth the risk (Dele is the best example). But imagine if we'd have paid £50-£60m for Sessegnon and he played for us like he has for Fulham this season, it would have been a disaster.
     
  7. Finney Is Back

    Finney Is Back Justin Edinburgh

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    The problem is that those two would probably be £80 million plus, whereas the two from the Championship would be half of that. IMO Aarons is a better player than Wan Bissaka already. Henry is not yet at Chilwell’s level, but I think he has more improvement in him and I like his pace.
     
  8. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Nayim

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    I don’t class one season as proven perosnally

    As @gutterboy would say, remember Benteke, Berahino and Ricketts

    And I’d say that most havent seen Aaron’s play. The lad plays amazingly well for an attacking side, whereas bissaka is playing very well for a defensive side
     
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    Bedfordspurs Nayim

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    City bought prospects to make the step up, an unproven goalie and an unproven centre back for Decent money
     
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    the dza Christian Ziege

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    True, but no coincidence that those players are all forwards imo. If a defender can defend and has those attributes, it's less likely that they will go backwards off of a good season imo. For forwards, it's more common for them to hit a hot-streak and dine out on that for a time.

    I'm definitely with you on buying these prospects, just not getting rinsed for them like Fulham wanted to do with Sessengnon. The price should, imo, reflect that they haven't showed it against top players yet.
     
  11. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Nayim

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    But he is defending in a very defensive side

    That’s my only caveat

    He looks great but at £40/£50m I think there is a lot better value to be had
     
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    P.D. Gerry Armstrong

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    What prospects did City buy when they were in our position?
     
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    Legohamster Vedran Corluka

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    Moutinho for £5 million was an absolute bargain.
     
  14. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Nayim

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    They bought in Ederson and Laporte for big money

    Neither were proven at this level or near it arguably

    Yet people say you have to buy players at our level...

    Now I await someone telling me Laporte was proven but he hadn’t played European or international football and was playing for a mid table side

    ederson has played 37 games in a mid standard league in Europe .... a league that lots would say isn’t better than the championship (apart from 3 teams)

    Ederson was a key improvement to their system

    Could also argue that Sane with only 47 first team games under his belt was a prospect
     
  15. billyiddo

    billyiddo Paul Stewart Staff Member

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    If you actually look back at our signings under Poch we do buy plenty of players 'ready made' and it's a bit of a myth to say we focus too much on potential/resale
     
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    Danishfurniturelover Paul Walsh

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    I like Henry as well, I think the new Villa manager wants to take him with him from Brentford so we would need to get in quick. He looks like a real prospect and someone we should go in for.
     
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    NaijaSpurs Frederic Kanoute

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    Anytime I see Liverpool play I keep thinking we could have signed Mane if we had been ready to pay the wages, and I feel this will be the factor that will hold this team back from achieving greatness
     
  18. Bedfordspurs

    Bedfordspurs Nayim

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    But at the time that would have made him our highest paid player and he woudknt have merited it, and arguably we couldn’t afford it then

    Going forward we can afford more and are paying more
     
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    braineclipse Andy Thompson

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    A lot of the players signed by Guardiola have been from outside the elite leagues and clubs, and they've been younger players with a lot of potential to get better. And they've been signed for reasonable fees, no doubt on ridiculous wages though.

    In addition to those you already mention also Silva and Jesus. Other than Mahrez they've spent their biggest bucks on defenders rather than attackers.

    Of course the amount of players they've signed stand out compared to most other teams other than those with wealthy owners ready to invest massive amounts in the squad.
     
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    Bedfordspurs Nayim

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    Silva id argue wasn’t a prospect as he and ready moved country, played regular international football and champions league

    But I agree with what your saying
     

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